Discussion:
Oil Fat Cats vs. Hugo Chavez
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torresD
2005-08-26 19:10:34 UTC
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Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats,
who wallow in their record profits while the
rest of us pay,

Chavez is spreading the wealth around.

A dangerous man, indeed.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0825-30.htm
Published on Thursday, August 25, 2005 by the
New York Daily News
Oil Fat Cats vs. Hugo Chavez
by Juan Gonzales

I pulled into the Mobil gas station on 11th Ave.
in Manhattan yesterday for my weekly stickup from
the oil companies.

Their take this time was an astonishing
$3.05 per gallon for premium unleaded.

"Every three or four days the price goes up,"
said Patel, the man in charge of the station.
"Lots of complaints from my customers."

Complaints from everyone except oil executives.

Last year, Exxon/Mobil,
the world's largest corporation,
posted the highest profits of any
company in history -

more than $25 billion.

The oil giant, based in Irving, Tex.,
is on track to shatter that mark this year,
with revenues that now approach $1 billion per day.

Which brings me to Pat
Robertson and Hugo Chavez.

Robertson, the right-wing evangelist
and friend of the Bush family,
publicly called this week for
the U.S. government to kill -
or at least kidnap -

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

"This is a dangerous enemy to our south,
controlling a huge pool of oil,
that could hurt us badly," Robertson said.

His less-than-Christian remarks ignited an
outcry and forced him to issue an apology
of sorts,

though he still insisted
that he had at least

"focused our government's
attention on a growing problem."

That "problem," quite simply,
is that Chavez,

a radical populist who has been voted
into office repeatedly by huge majorities
in his own country,

controls the largest reserve of
petroleum outside the Middle East.

Neither Robertson, nor former
oil executives George W. Bush,
Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice,
nor their buddies at Exxon/Mobil,
Chevron, etc., are happy about all this.

Even more scandalous for Big Oil,
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.

Yesterday, while Robertson was issuing
his half-baked Chavez clarification,
the Venezuelan president was in Montego Bay,
Jamaica, where he announced a new oil agreement
with that country's prime minister, P.J. Patterson.

Under the agreement,
Venezuela will supply 22,000 barrels
of oil a day to Jamaica for a mere
$40 a barrel.

That's far lower than the current
world price of about $65 a barrel.

With the price of gasoline in that
destitute nation already more than
$3.50 a gallon,

the Chavez plan means more than half
a million dollars a day in savings
for Jamaica on oil imports.

Chavez also announced his government
will provide $60 million in foreign
aid to Jamaica and finance the upgrading
of that country's oil refineries.

The agreement is part of a broader Chavez
plan called Petrocaribe, which he unveiled
at a Caribbean summit in Venezuela last June.

At that conference, Chavez offered the
same kind of deal to the leaders of more
than a dozen other neighboring nations,
including Dominican Republic President
Leonel Fernandez and Cuba's Fidel Castro.

Fernandez jumped at the offer because
his government is nearly bankrupt from
oil prices.

Last year,
the Dominican Republic spent
$1.2 billion on oil imports;

this year,
it expects to fork
out more than $3 billion.

The price of gasoline in Santo
Domingo has zoomed past $4 a
gallon in recent days.

Pat Robertson looks at Chavez
and sees a devilish danger.

He wants our government to "take him out."

Over at the White House,
Bush and his aides may use
more restrained language,

but their goals are not much different.

But there's a whole different
view down in Latin America,
where a half-dozen nations
have seen liberal and populist
governments swept into office
in recent years.

Down there,
Chavez has become
the new miracle man of oil.

Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats,
who wallow in their record profits while the
rest of us pay,

Chavez is spreading the wealth around.

A dangerous man, indeed.
Sam Bam
2005-08-26 19:13:06 UTC
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Post by torresD
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.
Like commie Cuba?
alohacyberian
2005-08-27 07:48:09 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.
Like commie Cuba?
It would be more accurate to say that Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall to
further ensconce himself as a totalitarian dictator and to support other
Communist totalitarian dictators. KM
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Curt
2005-09-03 04:46:19 UTC
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Post by alohacyberian
Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.
Like commie Cuba?
It would be more accurate to say that Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall to
further ensconce himself as a totalitarian dictator and to support other
Communist totalitarian dictators. KM
--
Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?

Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.

Curt
D. A. Tsenuf
2005-09-03 15:04:17 UTC
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Post by Curt
Post by alohacyberian
Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.
Like commie Cuba?
It would be more accurate to say that Chavez is using Venezuela's
windfall
to
Post by alohacyberian
further ensconce himself as a totalitarian dictator and to support other
Communist totalitarian dictators. KM
--
Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?
Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.
By the way, how do you feel about George Stephanopolous proposing killing
Saddam in a 1997 NewsWeek article appropriately entitled "Why We Should Kill
Saddam"
Did you get on your high horse then ?
Or did you find it perfectly acceptable since it was proposed by a Lib-Dem
lefty who actually was a staffer in the Clinton White House ?
Carl
2005-09-03 15:14:15 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by Curt
Post by alohacyberian
Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.
Like commie Cuba?
It would be more accurate to say that Chavez is using Venezuela's
windfall
to
Post by alohacyberian
further ensconce himself as a totalitarian dictator and to support other
Communist totalitarian dictators. KM
--
Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?
Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.
By the way, how do you feel about George Stephanopolous proposing killing
Saddam in a 1997 NewsWeek article appropriately entitled "Why We Should Kill
Saddam"
Did you get on your high horse then ?
Or did you find it perfectly acceptable since it was proposed by a Lib-Dem
lefty who actually was a staffer in the Clinton White House ?
Tsenuf....appparently you are in denial of your bias an lack of
objectivity. Until you get control of your ignorance you might want to
stop posting.



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jbohren
2005-09-03 15:17:41 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by Curt
Post by alohacyberian
Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.
Like commie Cuba?
It would be more accurate to say that Chavez is using Venezuela's
windfall
to
Post by alohacyberian
further ensconce himself as a totalitarian dictator and to support other
Communist totalitarian dictators. KM
--
Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?
Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.
By the way, how do you feel about George Stephanopolous proposing killing
Saddam in a 1997 NewsWeek article appropriately entitled "Why We Should
Kill Saddam"
Did you get on your high horse then ?
Or did you find it perfectly acceptable since it was proposed by a Lib-Dem
lefty who actually was a staffer in the Clinton White House ?
Is George Stephanopolous a Christian minister? What would Jesus do? Would
he propose killing someone?
D. A. Tsenuf
2005-09-04 13:44:21 UTC
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Post by jbohren
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by Curt
Post by alohacyberian
Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.
Like commie Cuba?
It would be more accurate to say that Chavez is using Venezuela's
windfall
to
Post by alohacyberian
further ensconce himself as a totalitarian dictator and to support other
Communist totalitarian dictators. KM
--
Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?
Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.
By the way, how do you feel about George Stephanopolous proposing killing
Saddam in a 1997 NewsWeek article appropriately entitled "Why We Should
Kill Saddam"
Did you get on your high horse then ?
Or did you find it perfectly acceptable since it was proposed by a
Lib-Dem lefty who actually was a staffer in the Clinton White House ?
Is George Stephanopolous a Christian minister? What would Jesus do?
Would he propose killing someone?
Well in Luke 22:35, Jesus did propose that the disciples sell tehir coats
and buy swords.
"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse,
let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip:
and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment,
and buy one. "
Why do you think he said that ?
Was he suggesting the his disciples go armed and ready to defend themselves
?

But thank you for demonstrating that you live by a double standard..
jbohren
2005-09-04 17:21:14 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by Curt
Post by alohacyberian
Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.
Like commie Cuba?
It would be more accurate to say that Chavez is using Venezuela's
windfall
to
Post by alohacyberian
further ensconce himself as a totalitarian dictator and to support other
Communist totalitarian dictators. KM
--
Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?
Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.
By the way, how do you feel about George Stephanopolous proposing
killing Saddam in a 1997 NewsWeek article appropriately entitled "Why We
Should Kill Saddam"
Did you get on your high horse then ?
Or did you find it perfectly acceptable since it was proposed by a
Lib-Dem lefty who actually was a staffer in the Clinton White House ?
Is George Stephanopolous a Christian minister? What would Jesus do?
Would he propose killing someone?
Well in Luke 22:35, Jesus did propose that the disciples sell tehir coats
and buy swords.
"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse,
and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment,
and buy one. "
Why do you think he said that ?
Was he suggesting the his disciples go armed and ready to defend
themselves ?
But thank you for demonstrating that you live by a double standard..
Thou shalt not kill??

A double standard? Who has the double standard?
D. A. Tsenuf
2005-09-04 21:21:02 UTC
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Post by jbohren
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by Curt
Post by alohacyberian
Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.
Like commie Cuba?
It would be more accurate to say that Chavez is using Venezuela's
windfall
to
Post by alohacyberian
further ensconce himself as a totalitarian dictator and to support other
Communist totalitarian dictators. KM
--
Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?
Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.
By the way, how do you feel about George Stephanopolous proposing
killing Saddam in a 1997 NewsWeek article appropriately entitled "Why
We Should Kill Saddam"
Did you get on your high horse then ?
Or did you find it perfectly acceptable since it was proposed by a
Lib-Dem lefty who actually was a staffer in the Clinton White House ?
Is George Stephanopolous a Christian minister? What would Jesus do?
Would he propose killing someone?
Well in Luke 22:35, Jesus did propose that the disciples sell tehir coats
and buy swords.
"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse,
and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment,
and buy one. "
Why do you think he said that ?
Was he suggesting the his disciples go armed and ready to defend
themselves ?
But thank you for demonstrating that you live by a double standard..
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different in
the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Post by jbohren
A double standard? Who has the double standard?
The double standard is everyone up in arms about Robertson but
Stephanopoulos is quite OK to say something identical.
jbohren
2005-09-04 22:16:43 UTC
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Post by jbohren
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by Curt
Post by alohacyberian
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:10:34 GMT, "torresD"
Post by torresD
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.
Like commie Cuba?
It would be more accurate to say that Chavez is using Venezuela's
windfall
to
Post by alohacyberian
further ensconce himself as a totalitarian dictator and to support other
Communist totalitarian dictators. KM
--
Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?
Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.
By the way, how do you feel about George Stephanopolous proposing
killing Saddam in a 1997 NewsWeek article appropriately entitled "Why
We Should Kill Saddam"
Did you get on your high horse then ?
Or did you find it perfectly acceptable since it was proposed by a
Lib-Dem lefty who actually was a staffer in the Clinton White House ?
Is George Stephanopolous a Christian minister? What would Jesus do?
Would he propose killing someone?
Well in Luke 22:35, Jesus did propose that the disciples sell tehir
coats and buy swords.
"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse,
and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment,
and buy one. "
Why do you think he said that ?
Was he suggesting the his disciples go armed and ready to defend
themselves ?
But thank you for demonstrating that you live by a double standard..
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different
in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Post by jbohren
A double standard? Who has the double standard?
The double standard is everyone up in arms about Robertson but
Stephanopoulos is quite OK to say something identical.
Its not ok for ANYONE to say what Robertson to say. And a Christian leader
that says something thats opposite of those same 10 commandments he's trying
so hard to have inscribed in public buildings means he's just another
hypocrite.
alohacyberian
2005-09-05 10:39:23 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different in
the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew to
"Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing of human
beings under three circumstances: capital punishment, self-defense and war.
KM
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D. A. Tsenuf
2005-09-05 13:14:28 UTC
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Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different
in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew to
"Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing of
human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment, self-defense
and war. KM
Thank you for the added clatification.
By the way, does anyone know the correct pronunciation of "Lo Tirtzakh"
Feel free to use English, French or Hungarian phonemes for the correct
sound.
Thanks
Joel Rosenberg
2005-09-05 13:25:57 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different
in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew to
"Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing of
human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment, self-defense
and war. KM
Thank you for the added clatification.
By the way, does anyone know the correct pronunciation of "Lo Tirtzakh"
Feel free to use English, French or Hungarian phonemes for the correct
sound.
Thanks
Sure: "loh (rhymes with "Doh!") "teer-tzach" (the final ch is
the sort of guttural rumble; rhymes with the real Scottish pronunciation of
"loch".)
alohacyberian
2005-09-06 09:25:20 UTC
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Post by Joel Rosenberg
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different
in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew to
"Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing of
human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment, self-defense
and war. KM
Thank you for the added clatification.
By the way, does anyone know the correct pronunciation of "Lo Tirtzakh"
Feel free to use English, French or Hungarian phonemes for the correct
sound.
Thanks
Sure: "loh (rhymes with "Doh!") "teer-tzach" (the final ch is
the sort of guttural rumble; rhymes with the real Scottish pronunciation of
"loch".)
As in "Lochiam"? ;-) KM
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alohacyberian
2005-09-07 07:56:04 UTC
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Post by Joel Rosenberg
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different
in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew to
"Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing of
human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment, self-defense
and war. KM
Thank you for the added clatification.
By the way, does anyone know the correct pronunciation of "Lo Tirtzakh"
Feel free to use English, French or Hungarian phonemes for the correct
sound.
Thanks
Sure: "loh (rhymes with "Doh!") "teer-tzach" (the final ch is
the sort of guttural rumble; rhymes with the real Scottish pronunciation of
"loch".)
As in "Lochiam"? ;-) KM
Oops, I meant Lochaim... KM
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jbohren
2005-09-05 16:32:52 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different
in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew
to "Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing
of human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment,
self-defense and war. KM
Which of those 3 is justification for taking out Chavez?

Gawd, now the right wingnuts have found ways to twist the ten commandments
to justify murder.
D. A. Tsenuf
2005-09-05 22:13:09 UTC
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Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite
different in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew
to "Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing
of human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment,
self-defense and war. KM
Which of those 3 is justification for taking out Chavez?
Gawd, now the right wingnuts have found ways to twist the ten commandments
to justify murder.
No they didn't
Just because we shed some light on YOUR ignorance, in no way implicits
ANYTHING ELSE
You're just spouting nonsense as usual.
jbohren
2005-09-05 23:29:11 UTC
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Post by jbohren
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite
different in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written
in Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from
Hebrew to "Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for
killing of human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment,
self-defense and war. KM
Which of those 3 is justification for taking out Chavez?
Gawd, now the right wingnuts have found ways to twist the ten
commandments to justify murder.
No they didn't
Just because we shed some light on YOUR ignorance, in no way implicits
ANYTHING ELSE
You're just spouting nonsense as usual.
So where does the bible advocate murder or assassination as advocated by
Robertson?
D. A. Tsenuf
2005-09-06 00:41:06 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
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Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite
different in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written
in Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from
Hebrew to "Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for
killing of human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment,
self-defense and war. KM
Which of those 3 is justification for taking out Chavez?
Gawd, now the right wingnuts have found ways to twist the ten
commandments to justify murder.
No they didn't
Just because we shed some light on YOUR ignorance, in no way implicits
ANYTHING ELSE
You're just spouting nonsense as usual.
So where does the bible advocate murder or assassination as advocated by
Robertson?
Nowhere ?
And nobody here said otherwise
So stop confusing the voices in your head with the posters here.
jbohren
2005-09-06 01:46:37 UTC
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Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite
different in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written
in Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from
Hebrew to "Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows
for killing of human beings under three circumstances: capital
punishment, self-defense and war. KM
Which of those 3 is justification for taking out Chavez?
Gawd, now the right wingnuts have found ways to twist the ten
commandments to justify murder.
No they didn't
Just because we shed some light on YOUR ignorance, in no way implicits
ANYTHING ELSE
You're just spouting nonsense as usual.
So where does the bible advocate murder or assassination as advocated by
Robertson?
Nowhere ?
And nobody here said otherwise
So stop confusing the voices in your head with the posters here.
My point exactly. Robertson is a hypocrite by posing as a man of god and
advocating murder.
alohacyberian
2005-09-06 09:25:23 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
So where does the bible advocate murder or assassination as advocated by
Robertson?
Nowhere ?
And nobody here said otherwise
So stop confusing the voices in your head with the posters here.
My point exactly. Robertson is a hypocrite by posing as a man of god and
advocating murder.
Then maybe you should take it up with Robertson and leave the rest of us out
of your snit. KM
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D. A. Tsenuf
2005-09-06 09:49:44 UTC
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Post by jbohren
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite
different in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were
written in Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally
translated from Hebrew to "Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy
capital punishment, self-defense and war. KM
Which of those 3 is justification for taking out Chavez?
Gawd, now the right wingnuts have found ways to twist the ten
commandments to justify murder.
No they didn't
Just because we shed some light on YOUR ignorance, in no way implicits
ANYTHING ELSE
You're just spouting nonsense as usual.
So where does the bible advocate murder or assassination as advocated by
Robertson?
Nowhere ?
And nobody here said otherwise
So stop confusing the voices in your head with the posters here.
My point exactly. Robertson is a hypocrite by posing as a man of god and
advocating murder.
You just figured that out ?
Well, better late than never....
Harold Burton
2005-09-06 01:25:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by jbohren
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite
different in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written
in Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from
Hebrew to "Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for
killing of human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment,
self-defense and war. KM
Which of those 3 is justification for taking out Chavez?
Gawd, now the right wingnuts have found ways to twist the ten
commandments to justify murder.
No they didn't
Just because we shed some light on YOUR ignorance, in no way implicits
ANYTHING ELSE
You're just spouting nonsense as usual.
So where does the bible advocate murder or assassination as advocated by
Stephanopolous
I fixed yer posting for ya. Maybe you should answer the question.
alohacyberian
2005-09-06 09:25:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by jbohren
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite
different in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written
in Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from
Hebrew to "Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for
killing of human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment,
self-defense and war. KM
Which of those 3 is justification for taking out Chavez?
Gawd, now the right wingnuts have found ways to twist the ten
commandments to justify murder.
No they didn't
Just because we shed some light on YOUR ignorance, in no way implicits
ANYTHING ELSE
You're just spouting nonsense as usual.
So where does the bible advocate murder or assassination as advocated by
Robertson?
I don't hope to speak for Robertson; I know little about him and have less
interest in what he says. Just because you are a follower who hangs on his
every word doesn't mean the rest of us put any stock in his remarks or pay
any attention to what he says. KM
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Sam Bam
2005-09-06 20:18:47 UTC
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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:29:11 -0800, "jbohren"
Post by jbohren
So where does the bible advocate murder or assassination as advocated by
Robertson?
JOSHUA:
19 And stay ye not, but pursue after your enemies, and smite the
hindmost of them; suffer them not to enter into their cities: for the
LORD your God hath delivered them into your hand.

20 And it came to pass, when Joshua and the children of Israel had
made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they
were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into
fenced cities.

21 And all the people returned to the camp to Joshua at Makkedah in
peace: none moved his tongue against any of the children of Israel.
Don Homuth
2005-09-06 20:43:40 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:29:11 -0800, "jbohren"
Post by jbohren
So where does the bible advocate murder or assassination as advocated by
Robertson?
19 And stay ye not, but pursue after your enemies, and smite the
hindmost of them; suffer them not to enter into their cities: for the
LORD your God hath delivered them into your hand.
20 And it came to pass, when Joshua and the children of Israel had
made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they
were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into
fenced cities.
21 And all the people returned to the camp to Joshua at Makkedah in
peace: none moved his tongue against any of the children of Israel.
....but later, the Strangest Thing happened:

Matthew 26:51-53 (King James Version)

51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his
hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's,
and smote off his ear.

52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place:
for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

The Lowered seems to have changed His Divine Mind on the matter.
Scratch
2005-09-07 03:13:27 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sam Bam
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:29:11 -0800, "jbohren"
Post by jbohren
So where does the bible advocate murder or assassination as advocated by
Robertson?
19 And stay ye not, but pursue after your enemies, and smite the
hindmost of them; suffer them not to enter into their cities: for the
LORD your God hath delivered them into your hand.
20 And it came to pass, when Joshua and the children of Israel had
made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they
were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into
fenced cities.
21 And all the people returned to the camp to Joshua at Makkedah in
peace: none moved his tongue against any of the children of Israel.
Matthew 26:51-53 (King James Version)
51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his
hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's,
and smote off his ear.
for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
The Lowered seems to have changed His Divine Mind on the matter.
You really don't get this stuff do ya?

There was a plan set in motion from God a long long time ago and it had to
be fulfilled.


Isaiah 53

53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD
revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a
dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there
is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with
grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we
esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did
esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our
iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes
we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own
way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is
brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is
dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his
generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the
transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death;
because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when
thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he
shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his
hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his
knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their
iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide
the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death:
and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and
made intercession for the transgressors.
KJV



Go ahead homuth through it away. Even though it's right before ya. Makes me
no never mind. For ever trying to stuff a Christain in a little box and put
him up on the shelf where you can admire your (perceived) great conquest
aren't ya homuth :)
Don Homuth
2005-09-07 14:44:06 UTC
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On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:13:27 -0700, "Scratch"
Post by Scratch
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sam Bam
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:29:11 -0800, "jbohren"
Post by jbohren
So where does the bible advocate murder or assassination as advocated by
Robertson?
19 And stay ye not, but pursue after your enemies, and smite the
hindmost of them; suffer them not to enter into their cities: for the
LORD your God hath delivered them into your hand.
20 And it came to pass, when Joshua and the children of Israel had
made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they
were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into
fenced cities.
21 And all the people returned to the camp to Joshua at Makkedah in
peace: none moved his tongue against any of the children of Israel.
Matthew 26:51-53 (King James Version)
51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his
hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's,
and smote off his ear.
for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
The Lowered seems to have changed His Divine Mind on the matter.
You really don't get this stuff do ya?
There was a plan set in motion from God a long long time ago and it had to
be fulfilled.
So -- Katrina was part of a Divine Plan that The Lowered just Had to
do? It wasn't the gay parade at all?
Post by Scratch
Go ahead homuth through it away. Even though it's right before ya. Makes me
no never mind. For ever trying to stuff a Christain in a little box and put
him up on the shelf where you can admire your (perceived) great conquest
aren't ya homuth :)
No -- I just try to see if your lot makes Any damned sense at all.

The Lowered that you continually describe acts like an adolescent
child, first this way, then that, idiosyncratically jacking his
creation around for no apparent reason.

But I have less to argue about with The Lowered than with his clueless
followers -- the Xtian Fundy types.

You keep forgetting -- the fundamental message is one of comfort, not
of fear.

I don't fear The Lowered. Even with your twisted view of scripture,
he's just gonna do whateverthehell he feels like.

Your lot is the proximate cause of all Sorts of misery as you attempt
to market your own brand of organized superstition.
Sam Bam
2005-09-07 04:22:16 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
The Lowered
The heathen scum - die.
Scratch
2005-09-07 03:13:44 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:29:11 -0800, "jbohren"
Post by jbohren
So where does the bible advocate murder or assassination as advocated by
Robertson?
19 And stay ye not, but pursue after your enemies, and smite the
hindmost of them; suffer them not to enter into their cities: for the
LORD your God hath delivered them into your hand.
20 And it came to pass, when Joshua and the children of Israel had
made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they
were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into
fenced cities.
21 And all the people returned to the camp to Joshua at Makkedah in
peace: none moved his tongue against any of the children of Israel.
Good one! I had forgot about that one :)
Harold Burton
2005-09-06 01:24:02 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite
different in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew
to "Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing
of human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment,
self-defense and war. KM
Which of those 3 is justification for taking out Chavez?
Gawd, now the right wingnuts have found ways to twist the ten commandments
to justify murder.
No they didn't
Just because we shed some light on YOUR ignorance...
I don't think you did, but only because his ignorance is so abysmal.
alohacyberian
2005-09-06 09:25:21 UTC
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Post by jbohren
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different
in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew
to "Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing
of human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment,
self-defense and war. KM
Which of those 3 is justification for taking out Chavez?
Gawd, now the right wingnuts have found ways to twist the ten commandments
to justify murder.
I haven't indicated any approval of "taking out" Chavez - in fact I've made
no comment about the matter, so you can spare us your hysterical melodrama.
KM
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Scratch
2005-09-06 13:56:06 UTC
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Post by alohacyberian
Post by jbohren
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite
different in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written
in Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from
Hebrew to "Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for
killing of human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment,
self-defense and war. KM
Which of those 3 is justification for taking out Chavez?
Gawd, now the right wingnuts have found ways to twist the ten
commandments to justify murder.
I haven't indicated any approval of "taking out" Chavez - in fact I've
made no comment about the matter, so you can spare us your hysterical
melodrama. KM
He Projecting again :)
alohacyberian
2005-09-07 07:56:05 UTC
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Post by Scratch
Post by alohacyberian
Post by jbohren
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite
different in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written
in Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from
Hebrew to "Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for
killing of human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment,
self-defense and war. KM
Which of those 3 is justification for taking out Chavez?
Gawd, now the right wingnuts have found ways to twist the ten
commandments to justify murder.
I haven't indicated any approval of "taking out" Chavez - in fact I've
made no comment about the matter, so you can spare us your hysterical
melodrama. KM
He Projecting again :)
Still. ;-) KM
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Carl
2005-09-05 17:10:04 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different
in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew to
"Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing of
human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment, self-defense
and war. KM
Thank you for the added clatification.
By the way, does anyone know the correct pronunciation of "Lo Tirtzakh"
Feel free to use English, French or Hungarian phonemes for the correct
sound.
Thanks
It is disgusting that we have to suffer this theocratic bias in
politics. You should move to Iran...where believers rule.

In my five years of reading here, never have we had to cope with
biblical quotes for confirmation of a socio-political position.

The country IS in hell.

You all going to roll out the stocks, pin scarlet letters on the woman
with triple D's or the butt to die for? Oh---yes....and that closet
buggery and pedophilia that is rampant in organized in
religion....well............we are not overlooking it.


The Good Guys and the Bad Guys...you decide:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
http://www.thenation.com
http://www.democracynow.org
http://www.weeklystandard.com
http://www.independent.org/
http://www.soros.org/
http://www.spectator.org/index.asp
Carl
2005-09-05 18:01:37 UTC
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On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:10:04 GMT, Carl
Post by Carl
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different
in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew to
"Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing of
human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment, self-defense
and war. KM
I don't give a damn...

and if you DO...go move to Iran and join the other "believers".
Post by Carl
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Thank you for the added clatification.
By the way, does anyone know the correct pronunciation of "Lo Tirtzakh"
Feel free to use English, French or Hungarian phonemes for the correct
sound.
Thanks
It is disgusting that we have to suffer this theocratic bias in
politics. You should move to Iran...where believers rule.
In my five years of reading here, never have we had to cope with
biblical quotes for confirmation of a socio-political position.
The country IS in hell.
You all going to roll out the stocks, pin scarlet letters on the woman
with triple D's or the butt to die for? Oh---yes....and that closet
buggery and pedophilia that is rampant in organized in
religion....well............we are not overlooking it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
http://www.thenation.com
http://www.democracynow.org
http://www.weeklystandard.com
http://www.independent.org/
http://www.soros.org/
http://www.spectator.org/index.asp
The Good Guys and the Bad Guys...you decide:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
http://www.thenation.com
http://www.democracynow.org
http://www.weeklystandard.com
http://www.independent.org/
http://www.soros.org/
http://www.spectator.org/index.asp
Scratch
2005-09-06 02:20:28 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:10:04 GMT, Carl>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
http://www.thenation.com
http://www.democracynow.org
http://www.weeklystandard.com
http://www.independent.org/
http://www.soros.org/
http://www.spectator.org/index.asp
Yeah, please do. You decide.


http://tinyurl.com/8xzuq
Scratch
2005-09-06 02:18:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carl
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different
in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew to
"Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing of
human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment, self-defense
and war. KM
Thank you for the added clatification.
By the way, does anyone know the correct pronunciation of "Lo Tirtzakh"
Feel free to use English, French or Hungarian phonemes for the correct
sound.
Thanks
It is disgusting that we have to suffer this theocratic bias in
politics. You should move to Iran...where believers rule.
In my five years of reading here, never have we had to cope with
biblical quotes for confirmation of a socio-political position.
The country IS in hell.
Then leave. I'll turn out the lights after ya.
alohacyberian
2005-09-06 09:25:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carl
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by alohacyberian
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different
in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew to
"Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing of
human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment, self-defense
and war. KM
Thank you for the added clatification.
By the way, does anyone know the correct pronunciation of "Lo Tirtzakh"
Feel free to use English, French or Hungarian phonemes for the correct
sound.
Thanks
It is disgusting that we have to suffer this theocratic bias in
politics. You should move to Iran...where believers rule.
In my five years of reading here, never have we had to cope with
biblical quotes for confirmation of a socio-political position.
The country IS in hell.
You all going to roll out the stocks, pin scarlet letters on the woman
with triple D's or the butt to die for? Oh---yes....and that closet
buggery and pedophilia that is rampant in organized in
religion....well............we are not overlooking it.
Lighten up, Carly-baby - the remarks were more about linguistics than
biblical content. KM

"Atheism, nine times out of ten, is born from the womb of a bad conscience.
Disbelief is born of sin, not of reason."
~ Fulton J. Sheen
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2005-09-10 05:04:55 UTC
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Post by Carl
It is disgusting that we have to suffer this theocratic bias in
politics. You should move to Iran...where believers rule.
In my five years of reading here, never have we had to cope with
biblical quotes for confirmation of a socio-political position.
The country IS in hell.
"There is no surer sign of decay in a country than to see the rites of
religion held in contempt."
~ Niccolo Machiavelli
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torresD
2005-09-10 18:44:14 UTC
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Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats,
who wallow in their record profits while the
rest of us pay,

Chavez is spreading the wealth around.

A dangerous man, indeed.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0825-30.htm
Published on Thursday, August 25, 2005 by the
New York Daily News
Oil Fat Cats vs. Hugo Chavez
by Juan Gonzales

I pulled into the Mobil gas station on 11th Ave.
in Manhattan yesterday for my weekly stickup from
the oil companies.

Their take this time was an astonishing
$3.05 per gallon for premium unleaded.

"Every three or four days the price goes up,"
said Patel, the man in charge of the station.
"Lots of complaints from my customers."

Complaints from everyone except oil executives.

Last year, Exxon/Mobil,
the world's largest corporation,
posted the highest profits of any
company in history -

more than $25 billion.

The oil giant, based in Irving, Tex.,
is on track to shatter that mark this year,
with revenues that now approach $1 billion per day.

Which brings me to Pat
Robertson and Hugo Chavez.

Robertson, the right-wing evangelist
and friend of the Bush family,
publicly called this week for
the U.S. government to kill -
or at least kidnap -

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

"This is a dangerous enemy to our south,
controlling a huge pool of oil,
that could hurt us badly," Robertson said.

His less-than-Christian remarks ignited an
outcry and forced him to issue an apology
of sorts,

though he still insisted
that he had at least

"focused our government's
attention on a growing problem."

That "problem," quite simply,
is that Chavez,

a radical populist who has been voted
into office repeatedly by huge majorities
in his own country,

controls the largest reserve of
petroleum outside the Middle East.

Neither Robertson, nor former
oil executives George W. Bush,
Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice,
nor their buddies at Exxon/Mobil,
Chevron, etc., are happy about all this.

Even more scandalous for Big Oil,
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.

Yesterday, while Robertson was issuing
his half-baked Chavez clarification,
the Venezuelan president was in Montego Bay,
Jamaica, where he announced a new oil agreement
with that country's prime minister, P.J. Patterson.

Under the agreement,
Venezuela will supply 22,000 barrels
of oil a day to Jamaica for a mere
$40 a barrel.

That's far lower than the current
world price of about $65 a barrel.

With the price of gasoline in that
destitute nation already more than
$3.50 a gallon,

the Chavez plan means more than half
a million dollars a day in savings
for Jamaica on oil imports.

Chavez also announced his government
will provide $60 million in foreign
aid to Jamaica and finance the upgrading
of that country's oil refineries.

The agreement is part of a broader Chavez
plan called Petrocaribe, which he unveiled
at a Caribbean summit in Venezuela last June.

At that conference, Chavez offered the
same kind of deal to the leaders of more
than a dozen other neighboring nations,
including Dominican Republic President
Leonel Fernandez and Cuba's Fidel Castro.

Fernandez jumped at the offer because
his government is nearly bankrupt from
oil prices.

Last year,
the Dominican Republic spent
$1.2 billion on oil imports;

this year,
it expects to fork
out more than $3 billion.

The price of gasoline in Santo
Domingo has zoomed past $4 a
gallon in recent days.

Pat Robertson looks at Chavez
and sees a devilish danger.

He wants our government to "take him out."

Over at the White House,
Bush and his aides may use
more restrained language,

but their goals are not much different.

But there's a whole different
view down in Latin America,
where a half-dozen nations
have seen liberal and populist
governments swept into office
in recent years.

Down there,
Chavez has become
the new miracle man of oil.

Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats,
who wallow in their record profits while the
rest of us pay,

Chavez is spreading the wealth around.

A dangerous man, indeed.

Scratch
2005-09-05 15:13:35 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Thou shalt not kill??
The so-called biblical "thou shalt not kill" is actually quite different
in the original Hebrew and Aramaic
It actually is "thou shalt not murder"
Which means something TOTALLY different.
Correct. The Sixth "Commandment" (The Ten "Commandments" were written in
Hebrew) in Hebrew is, "Lo Tirtzakh" is literally translated from Hebrew to
"Thou shalt not murder". Besides the _Holy Bible_ allows for killing of
human beings under three circumstances: capital punishment, self-defense
and war. KM
Yep! What is the word fonyontz? <sp>
lein
2005-09-05 22:39:17 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by Curt
Post by alohacyberian
Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.
Like commie Cuba?
It would be more accurate to say that Chavez is using Venezuela's
windfall
to
Post by alohacyberian
further ensconce himself as a totalitarian dictator and to support other
Communist totalitarian dictators. KM
--
Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?
Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.
By the way, how do you feel about George Stephanopolous proposing
killing Saddam in a 1997 NewsWeek article appropriately entitled "Why We
Should Kill Saddam"
Did you get on your high horse then ?
Or did you find it perfectly acceptable since it was proposed by a
Lib-Dem lefty who actually was a staffer in the Clinton White House ?
Is George Stephanopolous a Christian minister? What would Jesus do?
Would he propose killing someone?
Well in Luke 22:35, Jesus did propose that the disciples sell tehir coats
and buy swords.
"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse,
and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment,
and buy one. "
Why do you think he said that ?
Was he suggesting the his disciples go armed and ready to defend
themselves ?
But thank you for demonstrating that you live by a double standard..
Thou shalt not kill??
A double standard? Who has the double standard?
Thou shalt not murder, not kill. Get it right for once.
Harold Burton
2005-09-06 01:22:25 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by jbohren
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by Curt
Post by alohacyberian
Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
Chavez is using Venezuela's windfall
not to fatten his own country's oligarchy
but to benefit the Venezuelan poor and
help neighboring countries.
Like commie Cuba?
It would be more accurate to say that Chavez is using Venezuela's
windfall
to
Post by alohacyberian
further ensconce himself as a totalitarian dictator and to support other
Communist totalitarian dictators. KM
--
Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?
Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.
By the way, how do you feel about George Stephanopolous proposing
killing Saddam in a 1997 NewsWeek article appropriately entitled "Why We
Should Kill Saddam"
Did you get on your high horse then ?
Or did you find it perfectly acceptable since it was proposed by a
Lib-Dem lefty who actually was a staffer in the Clinton White House ?
Is George Stephanopolous a Christian minister? What would Jesus do?
Would he propose killing someone?
Well in Luke 22:35, Jesus did propose that the disciples sell tehir coats
and buy swords.
"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse,
and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment,
and buy one. "
Why do you think he said that ?
Was he suggesting the his disciples go armed and ready to defend
themselves ?
But thank you for demonstrating that you live by a double standard..
Thou shalt not kill??
Where is that written?
Curt
2005-09-04 21:31:35 UTC
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Post by Curt
Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?
Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.
By the way, how do you feel about George Stephanopolous proposing killing
Saddam in a 1997 NewsWeek article appropriately entitled "Why We Should
Kill Saddam"
Did you get on your high horse then ?
Or did you find it perfectly acceptable since it was proposed by a
Lib-Dem lefty who actually was a staffer in the Clinton White House ?
Don't remember the incident. Did Saddam offer to help out any flood victims
right after Stephanopolous said that? Like Chavez did?

Curt
D. A. Tsenuf
2005-09-05 00:12:11 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by Curt
Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?
Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.
By the way, how do you feel about George Stephanopolous proposing
killing
Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Saddam in a 1997 NewsWeek article appropriately entitled "Why We Should
Kill Saddam"
Did you get on your high horse then ?
Or did you find it perfectly acceptable since it was proposed by a
Lib-Dem lefty who actually was a staffer in the Clinton White House ?
Don't remember the incident. Did Saddam offer to help out any flood victims
right after Stephanopolous said that? Like Chavez did?
Curt
Was there a flood ?
As to Chavez, don't know if he made the offer or not.
But considdering how he's sucking up to Castro and the Chinse, it's not a
good thing for him to stay in power
He's got the makings of another Mugabe.

.
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2005-09-03 17:19:32 UTC
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Didja notice Venezuela's offer of assistance for the New Orleans flood
victims?
Pretty classy for a guy who the leader of the religious right just advocated
murdering.
I've also heard that Castro has offered to send 1,100 doctors to the area.
alohacyberian
2005-09-04 11:10:09 UTC
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I've also heard that Castro has offered to send 1,100 doctors to the area.
God, how the rumors do fly out of the Leftwing to paint shining pictures of
totalitarian dictators - rumors that will never come to fruition, though
they'll assuage the trembling hearts of Communists, socialists and
America-haters everywhere. That's hilarious! Castro knows perfectly well that
if he sent 1,100 Cuban doctors to the hurricane vicitim area, the doctors
would never go back to Cuba! KM
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2005-08-26 19:47:26 UTC
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Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats,
who wallow in their record profits while the
rest of us pay,
Chavez is spreading the wealth around.
(bullshit snipped)


HAHAHAHAHA!! What a joke!!

Yeah, this Chavez is a real humanitarian:

"Maria-Corina Machado, opposition leader and mother of three, faces
prison time for simply taking grant money from the National Endowment
for Democracy, a program of the United States Congress."

"Opposition figure Enrique Capriles has already spent four months in
jail. He told CBN News that he was only released because the street
protests over his jail sentence had become an embarrassment to the
government."

"Castillo remarked, "David Letterman, every day, in tonight's show, he
makes fun of President Bush. Nothing happens. Here, with a new law, if
you make fun of the president, of the senior officer of the Supreme
Court, of any minister, you can go to jail."
http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200508241038

Looks like Chavez is a prime candidate for the Josef Stalin
Humanitarian Award.
Carl
2005-08-26 20:30:15 UTC
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Post by torresD
Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats,
who wallow in their record profits while the
rest of us pay,
Chavez is spreading the wealth around.
(bullshit snipped)
HAHAHAHAHA!! What a joke!!
"Maria-Corina Machado, opposition leader and mother of three, faces
prison time for simply taking grant money from the National Endowment
for Democracy, a program of the United States Congress."
"Opposition figure Enrique Capriles has already spent four months in
jail. He told CBN News that he was only released because the street
protests over his jail sentence had become an embarrassment to the
government."
"Castillo remarked, "David Letterman, every day, in tonight's show, he
makes fun of President Bush. Nothing happens. Here, with a new law, if
you make fun of the president, of the senior officer of the Supreme
Court, of any minister, you can go to jail."
http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200508241038
Looks like Chavez is a prime candidate for the Josef Stalin
Humanitarian Award.
This guy may or may not be a Republican...but
unlike Bam...there is some info here to scrutinize if missed,
investigated if real, measured against
alternatives....................
Carl
2005-08-27 03:27:12 UTC
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Post by Carl
Post by c***@hotmail.com
Post by torresD
Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats,
who wallow in their record profits while the
rest of us pay,
Chavez is spreading the wealth around.
(bullshit snipped)
HAHAHAHAHA!! What a joke!!
"Maria-Corina Machado, opposition leader and mother of three, faces
prison time for simply taking grant money from the National Endowment
for Democracy, a program of the United States Congress."
"Opposition figure Enrique Capriles has already spent four months in
jail. He told CBN News...
CBN News?.....oh boy....anybody who gets there info from those bigoted
theocrats has no arguments of value
Post by Carl
Post by c***@hotmail.com
that he was only released because the street
protests over his jail sentence had become an embarrassment to the
government."
"Castillo remarked, "David Letterman, every day, in tonight's show, he
makes fun of President Bush. Nothing happens. Here, with a new law, if
you make fun of the president, of the senior officer of the Supreme
Court, of any minister, you can go to jail."
http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200508241038
Looks like Chavez is a prime candidate for the Josef Stalin
Humanitarian Award.
This guy may or may not be a Republican...but
unlike Bam...there is some info here to scrutinize if missed,
investigated if real, measured against
alternatives....................
alohacyberian
2005-08-27 07:48:11 UTC
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"Maria-Corina Machado, opposition leader and mother of three, faces
prison time for simply taking grant money from the National Endowment
for Democracy, a program of the United States Congress."
"Opposition figure Enrique Capriles has already spent four months in
jail. He told CBN News that he was only released because the street
protests over his jail sentence had become an embarrassment to the
government."
"Castillo remarked, "David Letterman, every day, in tonight's show, he
makes fun of President Bush. Nothing happens. Here, with a new law, if
you make fun of the president, of the senior officer of the Supreme
Court, of any minister, you can go to jail."
http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200508241038
Looks like Chavez is a prime candidate for the Josef Stalin
Humanitarian Award.
As well as the Mao Zedong Compassionate Communist Citation and the Adolf
Hitler Honesty in Diplomacy Medal. KM
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2005-08-27 07:48:11 UTC
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Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats,
who wallow in their record profits while the
rest of us pay,
Chavez is spreading the wealth around.
You really shouldn't rant and rave about things you don't understand. Record
profits or any other kind of profits made by any profit-making public
corporation ARE spread around - they're given to the stockholders. So, if you
want some of the money, buy stock in Exxon/Mobil or whatever coroporation
vexes your Communist sensitivities. Pretty simple, huh? KM
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2005-08-28 04:54:28 UTC
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Post by torresD
Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats,
who wallow in their record profits while the
rest of us pay,
Chavez is spreading the wealth around.
You really shouldn't rant and rave about things you don't understand.
While Bush cuts taxes for the rich, Chavez spreads the wealth around.
Post by alohacyberian
Record profits or any other kind of profits made by any profit-making
public corporation ARE spread around - they're given to the stockholders.
So, if you want some of the money, buy stock in Exxon/Mobil or whatever
coroporation vexes your Communist sensitivities. Pretty simple, huh? KM
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2005-08-28 05:53:28 UTC
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While Bush cuts taxes for the rich, Chavez spreads the wealth around.
..Cuba...
cor
2005-08-28 07:18:03 UTC
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Post by torresD
While Bush cuts taxes for the rich, Chavez spreads the wealth around.
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
lein
2005-08-28 07:02:31 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
While Bush cuts taxes for the rich, Chavez spreads the wealth around.
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
Is that why nobody is risking their lives in home made rafts to reach
Cuber's shores?
Scratch
2005-08-29 15:00:13 UTC
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Post by lein
Post by cor
Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
While Bush cuts taxes for the rich, Chavez spreads the wealth around.
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
Is that why nobody is risking their lives in home made rafts to reach
Cuber's shores?
LOL Good one!
Sam Bam
2005-08-28 15:44:19 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
While Bush cuts taxes for the rich, Chavez spreads the wealth around.
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
It might if I were unfortunate enough to land ina Cuban hospital...
Bob Tiernan
2005-08-28 18:44:00 UTC
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Post by cor
Post by Sam Bam
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
It might if I were unfortunate enough to land
in a Cuban hospital...
Note that idiots like cor think dictatorship
is acceptable so long as universal health
care (alleged) is available. Yes, they're
okay with state censorship and *actual*
squashing of dissent (not the imagined
kind they say exists here) so long as that
health care is available.

Bob T
Baxter
2005-08-28 19:26:23 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
Post by cor
Post by Sam Bam
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
It might if I were unfortunate enough to land
in a Cuban hospital...
Note that idiots like cor think dictatorship
is acceptable so long as universal health
care (alleged) is available. Yes, they're
okay with state censorship and *actual*
squashing of dissent (not the imagined
kind they say exists here) so long as that
health care is available.
Note that idiots like Bob T thing dictatorship is acceptable as long as only
the elite get any of the benefits. Bob prefers the tyrant of Uzbekistan to
the democratically elected Chavez because Chavez supports and tries to help
the poor.
Sam Bam
2005-08-28 20:58:22 UTC
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Post by Baxter
Bob prefers the tyrant of Uzbekistan to
the democratically elected Chavez
Cite!
Bob Tiernan
2005-08-29 08:24:34 UTC
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Bob prefers the tyrant of Uzbekistan to
the democratically elected Chavez
Cite!
I think it's right next the cite that has me
saying I support a Flag-Burning Amendment,
which is *no where*.

Besides, baxshit has been praising the
so-called (more or less) secular Muslim
leaders because they keep Islamic
fanaticism at bay (like Saddam), so
the leader of Uzbekasomething is
right up his alley (but he won't
say so unless he's ousted).

Bob t
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2005-08-29 14:20:31 UTC
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Post by Baxter
Bob prefers the tyrant of Uzbekistan to
the democratically elected Chavez
Cite!
I think it's right next the cite that has me
saying I support a Flag-Burning Amendment,
which is *no where*.
Besides, baxshit has been praising the
so-called (more or less) secular Muslim
leaders because they keep Islamic
fanaticism at bay (like Saddam), so
the leader of Uzbekasomething is
right up his alley (but he won't
say so unless he's ousted).
Is to laugh! So Bob t now loves Islamic fanaticism?!! How droll!
Sam Bam
2005-08-29 18:09:10 UTC
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Post by Bob Tiernan
Post by Baxter
Bob prefers the tyrant of Uzbekistan to
the democratically elected Chavez
Cite!
I think it's right next the cite that has me
saying I support a Flag-Burning Amendment,
which is *no where*.
Besides, baxshit has been praising the
so-called (more or less) secular Muslim
leaders because they keep Islamic
fanaticism at bay (like Saddam), so
the leader of Uzbekasomething is
right up his alley (but he won't
say so unless he's ousted).
Bob t
Baxter needs his litter box cleaned out.
Scratch
2005-08-29 15:02:06 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:26:23 -0700, "Baxter"
Post by Baxter
Bob prefers the tyrant of Uzbekistan to
the democratically elected Chavez
Cite!
Baxter very rarely cites any of his dribble.
lein
2005-08-29 03:00:21 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
Post by cor
Post by Sam Bam
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
It might if I were unfortunate enough to land
in a Cuban hospital...
Note that idiots like cor think dictatorship
is acceptable so long as universal health
care (alleged) is available. Yes, they're
okay with state censorship and *actual*
squashing of dissent (not the imagined
kind they say exists here) so long as that
health care is available.
Note that idiots like Bob T thing dictatorship is acceptable as long as only
the elite get any of the benefits. Bob prefers the tyrant of Uzbekistan to
the democratically elected Chavez because Chavez supports and tries to help
the poor.
Coming from someone who wanted Saddam to remain in power...
pot.kettle.black
Sam Bam
2005-08-29 03:12:12 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
Post by cor
Post by Sam Bam
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
It might if I were unfortunate enough to land
in a Cuban hospital...
Note that idiots like cor think dictatorship
is acceptable so long as universal health
care (alleged) is available. Yes, they're
okay with state censorship and *actual*
squashing of dissent (not the imagined
kind they say exists here) so long as that
health care is available.
Note that idiots like Bob T thing dictatorship is acceptable as long as only
the elite get any of the benefits. Bob prefers the tyrant of Uzbekistan to
the democratically elected Chavez because Chavez supports and tries to help
the poor.
Coming from someone who wanted Saddam to remain in power...
pot.kettle.black
Bax is such a fascist.
Carl
2005-08-29 05:40:44 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
It might if I were unfortunate enough to l
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Post by Sam Bam
Bax is such a fascist.
whoa .....you are still at it..see my previous post...you just keep on
projecting. You are a stooge for the corporate controlled Republicans
...much closer.. if not real fascists.

Defining others based on your reality...keep it coming......you are
visibly naked and ugly....



The Good Guys and the Bad Guys...you decide:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
http://www.thenation.com
http://www.democracynow.org
http://www.weeklystandard.com
http://www.independent.org/
http://www.soros.org/
http://www.spectator.org/index.asp
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2005-08-29 05:50:38 UTC
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..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
It might if I were unfortunate enough to l
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Post by Sam Bam
Bax is such a fascist.
whoa ....
Ya truth sucks huh....
Sam Bam
2005-08-28 20:36:56 UTC
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Post by Bob Tiernan
Post by Sam Bam
Post by cor
Post by Sam Bam
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
It might if I were unfortunate enough to land
in a Cuban hospital...
Note that idiots like cor think dictatorship
is acceptable so long as universal health
care (alleged) is available. Yes, they're
okay with state censorship and *actual*
squashing of dissent (not the imagined
kind they say exists here) so long as that
health care is available.
Bob T
If you've ever seen pictures of a typical Cuban "hospital" it would
turn your stomach...

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004070.php

For those who support or sympathize with Fidel Castro and his
dictatorship of Cuba, no argument comes up more frequently than the
supposedly marvelous health-care system that Castro has created for
the Cubans. They routinely credit him with managing to deliver
world-class facilities and treatment, equally for all Cubans, far
surpassing even the United States in egalitarianism and effectiveness.
For some people, that level of medical care outweighs Castro's
oppression, which would be ludicrous even if they were right about the
medical system they espouse.

Unfortunately, that system is a myth, as Val Prieto points out in
Babalublog. Val points out a March 6th article in Gentunio, translated
partially here, which has a number of pictures of Clínico Quirúrgico
in Havana. Here's what Fidel Castro said about Clínico Quirúrgico in
1989:

"Now, the old hospital has turned into one of the most modern and best
ones in the capital. I should explain that this hospital provided
services to a large number of people who live at the other side of the
Almendares River." ... "Not only did the number of beds increase, with
blocks and civil construction spreading throughout almost 30,000
square meters of construction, but the power unit is totally
new-boilers, electric power generators, etc.["]
Reporters from Gentiuno managed to get into the actual hospital with a
camera, and they found a much different situation. For example, this
is what they found in the emergency room:



Yes, those are cockroaches, at least the Darwin Award winners that got
caught under the feet of patients, doctors, and staff. Lord knows how
many smarter ones have managed to stay alive. They may come from the
restrooms for the emergency room:



If one manages to survive surgical treatment in the emergency room,
then they have plenty of time for infection, er, reflection in the
recovery room. Take a look at that area and tell me if you'd feel
healed by resting a while in here, first the ceiling and then the
floor:




Remember the new power system that Castro had installed in 1989? It
looks like he skipped a few items on the checklist. Either that, or
the hospital wants to drum up more business through electrocution of
patients and staff:




When leftists tell you that Castro may have his faults but he provides
for the Cuban people with his marvelous health system, try to remember
these pictures. I wouldn't send a stray dog to a facility like this to
get put to sleep, let alone receive treatment. And this is what Castro
considers a jewel in the crown of the Cuban HMO program. Be sure to
read Val's entire post, and if you read Spanish, check out Gentiuno's
article for more details.
Baxter
2005-08-28 23:35:35 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
If you've ever seen pictures of a typical Cuban "hospital" it would
turn your stomach...
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004070.php
Interesting how there's at least six people claiming to be the original
authors of that piece of propaganda.

Interesting how there's nothing in the pictures to actually identify where
this hospital is, nothing to show that -- and little to show that it's an
actual hospital. In fact, it looks like a building in process of being
demolished - not an operating hospital.
Sam Bam
2005-08-29 01:04:41 UTC
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Post by Baxter
Post by Sam Bam
If you've ever seen pictures of a typical Cuban "hospital" it would
turn your stomach...
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004070.php
Interesting how there's at least six people claiming to be the original
authors of that piece of propaganda.
Interesting how there's nothing in the pictures to actually identify where
this hospital is, nothing to show that -- and little to show that it's an
actual hospital. In fact, it looks like a building in process of being
demolished - not an operating hospital.
http://www.cubaverdad.net/start_frames.htm

87. The grave economic situation the country is experiencing has also
affected health, nutrition, and housing. In effect, the lack of
medical equipment and the scarcity of basic drugs are some of the
conditions found in some hospitals of Cuba. As has been indicated, the
provincial hospitals lack basic drugs such as analgesics, antibiotics,
anesthesia, and suture materials. This situation has resulted,
according to the information provided, in the surgical clothes and
tools not being sterilized. Contradictory in all this is that the
medical products manufactured in Cuba are earmarked to the hospitals
that provide medical care to foreigners. At this stage of the analysis
it is interesting to observe what is said in this regard by the United
Nations Special Rapporteur when he notes that:

the great scarcity of medicines, for which humanitarian aid from
abroad is merely a stop-gap measure, and the lack of equipment in a
large share of the country's hospitals, is a serious motive of concern
for the common citizen, who also feels discriminated against when
noting the existence of hospitals reserved for foreigners who pay
foreign exchange, and where they enjoy services out-of-reach to the
common citizen. This is all the most lamentable considering the level
of health care services common citizens were accustomed to until a few
years ago.36
Scratch
2005-08-29 15:07:09 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:44:00 -0700, Bob Tiernan
Post by Bob Tiernan
Post by Sam Bam
Post by cor
Post by Sam Bam
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
It might if I were unfortunate enough to land
in a Cuban hospital...
Note that idiots like cor think dictatorship
is acceptable so long as universal health
care (alleged) is available. Yes, they're
okay with state censorship and *actual*
squashing of dissent (not the imagined
kind they say exists here) so long as that
health care is available.
Bob T
If you've ever seen pictures of a typical Cuban "hospital" it would
turn your stomach...
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004070.php
Hell, I'm all for sending the left there for their medical care if they want
socialized medicine so bad.
Don Homuth
2005-08-29 00:54:02 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:44:00 -0700, Bob Tiernan
Post by Bob Tiernan
Note that idiots like cor think dictatorship
is acceptable so long as universal health
care (alleged) is available. Yes, they're
okay with state censorship and *actual*
squashing of dissent (not the imagined
kind they say exists here) so long as that
health care is available.
Note that idiots like ____________(choose anyone in the present
administration involved with the Middle East) think dictatorship is
acceptable so long as we get a military base or two from them. Yes,
they're OK with state censorship and *actual* squasing of dissent (not
the imagined kind they say exists here) so long as we have a military
base available.
Sam Bam
2005-08-29 01:17:31 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Note that idiots like ____________(choose anyone
Asshole Homuth!
Carl
2005-08-29 05:36:21 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
Post by Don Homuth
Note that idiots like ____________(choose anyone
Asshole Homuth!
you are projecting again...defining others as being what you
are...classica, l visible, personality weakness...along with your
profanity.

What rock did you come out from under? Your email has "patriot" in
it...you embarrass the fine men and women in our military bent on
assuring a safe, selfless, healthy, wealthy, happy nation.

You don't seem to have any social redeeming value and are an example
of the worst among us. Go away.



The Good Guys and the Bad Guys...you decide:
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http://www.thenation.com
http://www.democracynow.org
http://www.weeklystandard.com
http://www.independent.org/
http://www.soros.org/
http://www.spectator.org/index.asp
Sam Bam
2005-08-29 05:45:23 UTC
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Post by Carl
Post by Sam Bam
Post by Don Homuth
Note that idiots like ____________(choose anyone
Asshole Homuth!
you are projecting again...
Nope, just entering a wholly amoral enabler of oath violation as my
selection.
Post by Carl
...along with your profanity.
Ya and fuck you.
Post by Carl
What rock did you come out from under?
Most recently...Fulford Ice cave.
Curt
2005-09-02 06:30:46 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
Post by Don Homuth
Note that idiots like ____________(choose anyone
Asshole Homuth!
Sam's been hitting the bottle again.

Curt
Sam Bam
2005-09-02 06:33:08 UTC
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Post by Curt
Post by Sam Bam
Post by Don Homuth
Note that idiots like ____________(choose anyone
Asshole Homuth!
Sam's been hitting the bottle again.
Curtie's projecting again...
alohacyberian
2005-08-29 08:10:14 UTC
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Post by Bob Tiernan
Post by Sam Bam
Post by cor
Post by Sam Bam
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
It might if I were unfortunate enough to land
in a Cuban hospital...
Note that idiots like cor think dictatorship
is acceptable so long as universal health
care (alleged) is available. Yes, they're
okay with state censorship and *actual*
squashing of dissent (not the imagined
kind they say exists here) so long as that
health care is available.
Bob T
Yes, but, Cuba's universal health care is a joke unless you happen to be a
party apparatchik. Canadians frequently come to the United States to seek
medical treatment since even simple tests can take six months to 3 years to
obtain. And Canada's health care system is lightning fast compared to Cuba's.
On paper, Cuba's univeral health care system looks just dandy; but, if you're
a commoner and not a party apparatchik the best course of action is probably
to emigrate or to pray for good health! KM
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2005-08-29 01:02:22 UTC
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Post by cor
Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
While Bush cuts taxes for the rich, Chavez spreads the wealth around.
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
LOL.
Cuban universal health care...
Tell that to the people in the re-education camps and their families..
lein
2005-08-29 03:04:48 UTC
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Post by D. A. Tsenuf
Post by cor
Post by Sam Bam
Post by torresD
While Bush cuts taxes for the rich, Chavez spreads the wealth around.
..Cuba...
Their universal healthcare is scaring you?
LOL.
Cuban universal health care...
Tell that to the people in the re-education camps and their families..
They also have a high literacy rate, yet, none of them can put enough
brain cells together to create a reliable electricity grid.
Scratch
2005-08-29 14:59:31 UTC
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Post by alohacyberian
Post by torresD
Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats,
who wallow in their record profits while the
rest of us pay,
Chavez is spreading the wealth around.
You really shouldn't rant and rave about things you don't understand.
While Bush cuts taxes for the rich,
Yep! Good for him and hope to see more coming. When was the last time a
DemoncRAT gave a tax break? Oh, and you might want to add the left thinks
anyone who has a job is rich and that's whymost of em pay tax and guess
where the taxes went? TO THOSE THAT PAID THE TAXES DUMBASS!
Post by torresD
Chavez spreads the wealth around.
You mean like profits on a publicly traded company?? Or do you mean like
payoffs to his communist busddies?
Post by torresD
Post by alohacyberian
Record profits or any other kind of profits made by any profit-making
public corporation ARE spread around - they're given to the stockholders.
So, if you want some of the money, buy stock in Exxon/Mobil or whatever
coroporation vexes your Communist sensitivities. Pretty simple, huh? KM
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2005-08-28 07:16:58 UTC
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Post by alohacyberian
Post by torresD
Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats,
who wallow in their record profits while the
rest of us pay,
Chavez is spreading the wealth around.
You really shouldn't rant and rave about things you don't understand. Record
profits or any other kind of profits made by any profit-making public
corporation ARE spread around - they're given to the stockholders.
ahahahahahahahahaha!
Cash reserves are that. Reserves.
They are used to fatten the fat cats, to buy politicians or corporate jets
and in some cases to soften the fall on hard times. Occassionally a special
group of stockholders decide that they need cash, in which case they drain
such reserves. You, as a small stockholder, might receive a penny and Yes, Gates
receives several billion dollars. Your stock might go down since what? Since
reserves are lower and can make the business more susceptible to economic
down turns.
Ask someone what happen what happened to the fat reserves of HP. Once in
a while read the WSJ.
Post by alohacyberian
So, if you
want some of the money, buy stock in Exxon/Mobil or whatever coroporation
vexes your Communist sensitivities. Pretty simple, huh? KM
Sam Bam
2005-08-28 15:43:47 UTC
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Post by cor
Cash reserves are that. Reserves.
They are used to fatten the fat cats, to buy politicians or corporate jets
and in some cases to soften the fall on hard times.
Fucking marxist piece of trash, you wouldn't know how to run a
business if someone gave you a lemonade stand and a crate of koolaid.
Scratch
2005-08-29 15:12:41 UTC
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Post by Sam Bam
Post by cor
Cash reserves are that. Reserves.
They are used to fatten the fat cats, to buy politicians or corporate jets
and in some cases to soften the fall on hard times.
Fucking marxist piece of trash, you wouldn't know how to run a
business if someone gave you a lemonade stand and a crate of koolaid.
He would starve to death or turn to momma/poppa government to diaper his
ass. Some of em never leave the cradle. Like the leftists.
Harold Burton
2005-09-06 01:20:02 UTC
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Post by torresD
Unlike Exxon/Mobil and the Big Oil fat cats,
who wallow in their record profits...
You make that sound like a bad thing. I can hardly wait for my
dividends from XOM to come rolling in, and at a reduced tax rate.
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