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The Republican Party's racist views are now open for all to see
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End Corporate Rule
2004-10-18 18:36:39 UTC
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From the article:

<start quote>

The Republican Party's racist views are now open for all to see



The cat is out of the bag, and it's wearing a white sheet. The
Republican's Southern strategy, the one wherein they subtly appeal to white
racists in the South while simultaneously paying lip service to the civil
rights community, is as old as Barry Goldwater's campaign for president and
as new as Sonny Perdue's campaign for governor of Georgia. It's the same
tried and true tactic. They make symbolic speeches before groups and
organizations with horrible records on civil rights issues and then yell
Abraham Lincoln or Colin Powell at the top of their lungs when they get
caught.

Yes, Mr. Lincoln was a Republican, but what he did in 1863 does not give
Republicans a free pass on their current policies. Nor does the fact that
Mr. Powell, himself a beneficiary of affirmative action, is an African
American change Bush's and his party's dismal records on affirmative action,
welfare reform and minimum wage increases. In the South, at least, the
Republicans' big tent still includes room for racists and other malcontents
who see themselves as the victims of America's growing diversity.

The facts are simple. The party of Lincoln has zero African-American
members in the incoming congressional class, it regularly receives less than
10 percent of the African-American vote in national elections, and it
frequently stands in the way of legislation important to minorities. I guess
in the end it really doesn't matter who helps you win as long as you win.

John Houseman

<end quote>




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The Republicans are applying Jim Crow to the polling places this November:
more on this in other threads to come!


end corporate rule
Captain Compassion
2004-10-18 21:00:41 UTC
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:36:39 -0500, "End Corporate Rule"
Post by End Corporate Rule
<start quote>
The Republican Party's racist views are now open for all to see
The cat is out of the bag, and it's wearing a white sheet. The
Republican's Southern strategy, the one wherein they subtly appeal to white
racists in the South while simultaneously paying lip service to the civil
rights community, is as old as Barry Goldwater's campaign for president and
as new as Sonny Perdue's campaign for governor of Georgia. It's the same
tried and true tactic. They make symbolic speeches before groups and
organizations with horrible records on civil rights issues and then yell
Abraham Lincoln or Colin Powell at the top of their lungs when they get
caught.
Yes, Mr. Lincoln was a Republican, but what he did in 1863 does not give
Republicans a free pass on their current policies. Nor does the fact that
Mr. Powell, himself a beneficiary of affirmative action, is an African
American change Bush's and his party's dismal records on affirmative action,
welfare reform and minimum wage increases. In the South, at least, the
Republicans' big tent still includes room for racists and other malcontents
who see themselves as the victims of America's growing diversity.
The facts are simple. The party of Lincoln has zero African-American
members in the incoming congressional class, it regularly receives less than
10 percent of the African-American vote in national elections, and it
frequently stands in the way of legislation important to minorities. I guess
in the end it really doesn't matter who helps you win as long as you win.
John Houseman
Then there is the Democrat Urban strategy. Crack for votes.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm


----------------------------------------------------------------------
"John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I and many of my comrades in
North Viet Nam prison camps took torture to avoid saying." -- Paul
Galanti POW Jan. 1966 - Feb. 1973

"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
***@NOSPAMverizon.net
End Corporate Rule
2004-10-18 23:40:36 UTC
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Post by Captain Compassion
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:36:39 -0500, "End Corporate Rule"
Post by End Corporate Rule
<start quote>
The Republican Party's racist views are now open for all to see
The cat is out of the bag, and it's wearing a white sheet. The
Republican's Southern strategy, the one wherein they subtly appeal to white
racists in the South while simultaneously paying lip service to the civil
rights community, is as old as Barry Goldwater's campaign for president and
as new as Sonny Perdue's campaign for governor of Georgia. It's the same
tried and true tactic. They make symbolic speeches before groups and
organizations with horrible records on civil rights issues and then yell
Abraham Lincoln or Colin Powell at the top of their lungs when they get
caught.
Yes, Mr. Lincoln was a Republican, but what he did in 1863 does not give
Republicans a free pass on their current policies. Nor does the fact that
Mr. Powell, himself a beneficiary of affirmative action, is an African
American change Bush's and his party's dismal records on affirmative action,
welfare reform and minimum wage increases. In the South, at least, the
Republicans' big tent still includes room for racists and other malcontents
who see themselves as the victims of America's growing diversity.
The facts are simple. The party of Lincoln has zero African-American
members in the incoming congressional class, it regularly receives less than
10 percent of the African-American vote in national elections, and it
frequently stands in the way of legislation important to minorities. I guess
in the end it really doesn't matter who helps you win as long as you win.
John Houseman
Then there is the Democrat Urban strategy. Crack for votes.
There is more crack in the white neighborhoods around here than in the black
ones.

And crystal meth, etc, etc.

end corporate rule
Post by Captain Compassion
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I and many of my comrades in
North Viet Nam prison camps took torture to avoid saying." -- Paul
Galanti POW Jan. 1966 - Feb. 1973
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
Captain Compassion
2004-10-19 00:04:59 UTC
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:40:36 -0500, "End Corporate Rule"
Post by End Corporate Rule
Post by Captain Compassion
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:36:39 -0500, "End Corporate Rule"
Post by End Corporate Rule
<start quote>
The Republican Party's racist views are now open for all to see
The cat is out of the bag, and it's wearing a white sheet. The
Republican's Southern strategy, the one wherein they subtly appeal to white
racists in the South while simultaneously paying lip service to the civil
rights community, is as old as Barry Goldwater's campaign for president and
as new as Sonny Perdue's campaign for governor of Georgia. It's the same
tried and true tactic. They make symbolic speeches before groups and
organizations with horrible records on civil rights issues and then yell
Abraham Lincoln or Colin Powell at the top of their lungs when they get
caught.
Yes, Mr. Lincoln was a Republican, but what he did in 1863 does not give
Republicans a free pass on their current policies. Nor does the fact that
Mr. Powell, himself a beneficiary of affirmative action, is an African
American change Bush's and his party's dismal records on affirmative action,
welfare reform and minimum wage increases. In the South, at least, the
Republicans' big tent still includes room for racists and other malcontents
who see themselves as the victims of America's growing diversity.
The facts are simple. The party of Lincoln has zero African-American
members in the incoming congressional class, it regularly receives less than
10 percent of the African-American vote in national elections, and it
frequently stands in the way of legislation important to minorities. I guess
in the end it really doesn't matter who helps you win as long as you win.
John Houseman
Then there is the Democrat Urban strategy. Crack for votes.
There is more crack in the white neighborhoods around here than in the black
ones.
And crystal meth, etc, etc.
Folks in the Burbs can afford to snort.


----------------------------------------------------------------------
"John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I and many of my comrades in
North Viet Nam prison camps took torture to avoid saying." -- Paul
Galanti POW Jan. 1966 - Feb. 1973

"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
***@NOSPAMverizon.net
End Corporate Rule
2004-10-19 00:30:57 UTC
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Post by Captain Compassion
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:40:36 -0500, "End Corporate Rule"
Post by End Corporate Rule
Post by Captain Compassion
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:36:39 -0500, "End Corporate Rule"
Post by End Corporate Rule
<start quote>
The Republican Party's racist views are now open for all to see
The cat is out of the bag, and it's wearing a white sheet. The
Republican's Southern strategy, the one wherein they subtly appeal to white
racists in the South while simultaneously paying lip service to the civil
rights community, is as old as Barry Goldwater's campaign for president and
as new as Sonny Perdue's campaign for governor of Georgia. It's the same
tried and true tactic. They make symbolic speeches before groups and
organizations with horrible records on civil rights issues and then yell
Abraham Lincoln or Colin Powell at the top of their lungs when they get
caught.
Yes, Mr. Lincoln was a Republican, but what he did in 1863 does not give
Republicans a free pass on their current policies. Nor does the fact that
Mr. Powell, himself a beneficiary of affirmative action, is an African
American change Bush's and his party's dismal records on affirmative action,
welfare reform and minimum wage increases. In the South, at least, the
Republicans' big tent still includes room for racists and other malcontents
who see themselves as the victims of America's growing diversity.
The facts are simple. The party of Lincoln has zero African-American
members in the incoming congressional class, it regularly receives less than
10 percent of the African-American vote in national elections, and it
frequently stands in the way of legislation important to minorities. I guess
in the end it really doesn't matter who helps you win as long as you win.
John Houseman
Then there is the Democrat Urban strategy. Crack for votes.
There is more crack in the white neighborhoods around here than in the black
ones.
And crystal meth, etc, etc.
Folks in the Burbs can afford to snort.
Thanks, once again, for conceding the point.

end corporate rule
Post by Captain Compassion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I and many of my comrades in
North Viet Nam prison camps took torture to avoid saying." -- Paul
Galanti POW Jan. 1966 - Feb. 1973
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
Captain Compassion
2004-10-19 01:38:42 UTC
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:30:57 -0500, "End Corporate Rule"
Post by End Corporate Rule
Post by Captain Compassion
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:40:36 -0500, "End Corporate Rule"
Post by End Corporate Rule
Post by Captain Compassion
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:36:39 -0500, "End Corporate Rule"
Post by End Corporate Rule
<start quote>
The Republican Party's racist views are now open for all to see
The cat is out of the bag, and it's wearing a white sheet. The
Republican's Southern strategy, the one wherein they subtly appeal to white
racists in the South while simultaneously paying lip service to the civil
rights community, is as old as Barry Goldwater's campaign for president and
as new as Sonny Perdue's campaign for governor of Georgia. It's the same
tried and true tactic. They make symbolic speeches before groups and
organizations with horrible records on civil rights issues and then yell
Abraham Lincoln or Colin Powell at the top of their lungs when they get
caught.
Yes, Mr. Lincoln was a Republican, but what he did in 1863 does not give
Republicans a free pass on their current policies. Nor does the fact that
Mr. Powell, himself a beneficiary of affirmative action, is an African
American change Bush's and his party's dismal records on affirmative action,
welfare reform and minimum wage increases. In the South, at least, the
Republicans' big tent still includes room for racists and other malcontents
who see themselves as the victims of America's growing diversity.
The facts are simple. The party of Lincoln has zero African-American
members in the incoming congressional class, it regularly receives less than
10 percent of the African-American vote in national elections, and it
frequently stands in the way of legislation important to minorities. I guess
in the end it really doesn't matter who helps you win as long as you win.
John Houseman
Then there is the Democrat Urban strategy. Crack for votes.
There is more crack in the white neighborhoods around here than in the black
ones.
And crystal meth, etc, etc.
Folks in the Burbs can afford to snort.
Thanks, once again, for conceding the point.
Note: The guy trading crack for votes was working for the NAACP.


----------------------------------------------------------------------
"John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I and many of my comrades in
North Viet Nam prison camps took torture to avoid saying." -- Paul
Galanti POW Jan. 1966 - Feb. 1973

"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
***@NOSPAMverizon.net
End Corporate Rule
2004-10-19 02:13:49 UTC
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Post by Captain Compassion
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:30:57 -0500, "End Corporate Rule"
Post by End Corporate Rule
Post by Captain Compassion
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:40:36 -0500, "End Corporate Rule"
Post by End Corporate Rule
Post by Captain Compassion
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:36:39 -0500, "End Corporate Rule"
Post by End Corporate Rule
<start quote>
The Republican Party's racist views are now open for all to see
The cat is out of the bag, and it's wearing a white sheet. The
Republican's Southern strategy, the one wherein they subtly appeal to white
racists in the South while simultaneously paying lip service to the civil
rights community, is as old as Barry Goldwater's campaign for
president
and
as new as Sonny Perdue's campaign for governor of Georgia. It's the same
tried and true tactic. They make symbolic speeches before groups and
organizations with horrible records on civil rights issues and then yell
Abraham Lincoln or Colin Powell at the top of their lungs when they get
caught.
Yes, Mr. Lincoln was a Republican, but what he did in 1863 does not give
Republicans a free pass on their current policies. Nor does the fact that
Mr. Powell, himself a beneficiary of affirmative action, is an African
American change Bush's and his party's dismal records on affirmative action,
welfare reform and minimum wage increases. In the South, at least, the
Republicans' big tent still includes room for racists and other malcontents
who see themselves as the victims of America's growing diversity.
The facts are simple. The party of Lincoln has zero
African-American
members in the incoming congressional class, it regularly receives
less
than
10 percent of the African-American vote in national elections, and it
frequently stands in the way of legislation important to minorities. I guess
in the end it really doesn't matter who helps you win as long as you win.
John Houseman
Then there is the Democrat Urban strategy. Crack for votes.
There is more crack in the white neighborhoods around here than in the black
ones.
And crystal meth, etc, etc.
Folks in the Burbs can afford to snort.
Thanks, once again, for conceding the point.
Note: The guy trading crack for votes was working for the NAACP.
If my race had to put up with what follows below, maybe crack is the least
of my worries:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/23/1095651444313.html?oneclick=true#

--quote
"In elections in Baltimore in 2002 and in Georgia last year, black voters
were sent fliers saying anyone who hadn't paid utility bills or had
outstanding parking tickets or were behind on their rent would be arrested
at polling stations. It happens in every election cycle," she said.

In a mayoral election in Philadelphia last year, people pretending to be
plainclothes police officers stood outside some polling stations asking
people to identify themselves. There have also been reports of mysterious
people videotaping people waiting in line to vote in black neighbourhoods.

Minority voters may be deterred from voting simply by election officials
demanding to see drivers' licences before handing them a ballot, according
to Spencer Overton, who teaches law at George Washington University. The
federal government does not require people to produce a photo identification
unless they are first-time voters who registered by mail.

"African Americans are four to five times less likely than whites to have a
photo ID," Overton said at a recent briefing on minority disenfranchisement.

Courtenay Strickland of the Americans Civil Liberties Union testified to the
US Commission on Civil Rights last week that at a primary election in
Florida last month, many people were wrongly turned away when they could not
produce identification.

The commission, in a report earlier this year, said that in Florida, where
President George W Bush won a bitterly disputed election in 2000 by 537
votes, black voters had been 10 times more likely than non-black voters to
have their ballots rejected and were often prevented from voting because
their names were erroneously purged from registration lists.

--end quote

end corporate rule
Post by Captain Compassion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I and many of my comrades in
North Viet Nam prison camps took torture to avoid saying." -- Paul
Galanti POW Jan. 1966 - Feb. 1973
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 05:27:28 UTC
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Post by End Corporate Rule
end corporate rule
Drop dead you damned traitor.
anon
2004-10-19 05:42:50 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by End Corporate Rule
end corporate rule
Drop dead you damned traitor.
Just FYI, corporations != USA

Read the founders - they greatly mistrusted corporations as legal entities.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 05:50:55 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by End Corporate Rule
end corporate rule
Drop dead you damned traitor.
Just FYI, corporations != USA
Just FYI - get a private sector job asshole!
--
ÐÏࡱá
anon
2004-10-19 06:38:35 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Just FYI - get a private sector job asshole!
I have one, thanks. It was hard to find a good job in the Bush economy, so I
started a software company about 3 years ago. Now I have 7 employees, and since
I write data replication software for business continuance and disaster
recovery, the disaster that is the Bush presidency has been pretty good for my
business.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 16:01:08 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Just FYI - get a private sector job asshole!
I have one, thanks. It was hard to find a good job in the Bush economy, so I
started a software company about 3 years ago. Now I have 7 employees, and since
I write data replication software for business continuance and disaster
recovery, the disaster that is the Bush presidency has been pretty good for my
business.
Then you'd best vote for the candidate who's least likely to tax you out
of viability - BUSH!

Thanks for another case history of why Bush has been GOOD for the economy!
--
ÐÏࡱá
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-19 16:27:29 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Just FYI - get a private sector job asshole!
I have one, thanks. It was hard to find a good job in the Bush economy, so I
started a software company about 3 years ago. Now I have 7 employees, and since
I write data replication software for business continuance and disaster
recovery, the disaster that is the Bush presidency has been pretty good for my
business.
Then you'd best vote for the candidate who's least likely to tax you out
of viability - BUSH!
Thanks for another case history of why Bush has been GOOD for the economy!
Like an unstoppable wildfire is actually good for the forest? Never
mind the cost or lives lost, the trees will one day grow back. Pay no
attention to the smell of charred and rotting flesh left behind....
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 22:13:16 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Just FYI - get a private sector job asshole!
I have one, thanks. It was hard to find a good job in the Bush economy, so I
started a software company about 3 years ago. Now I have 7 employees, and since
I write data replication software for business continuance and disaster
recovery, the disaster that is the Bush presidency has been pretty good for my
business.
Then you'd best vote for the candidate who's least likely to tax you
out of viability - BUSH!
Thanks for another case history of why Bush has been GOOD for the economy!
Like an unstoppable wildfire is actually good for the forest?
You really are a dolt.

If allowed to burn through fire is indeed *good* for the forest.

It's the built up undergrowth and spindly, crowded trees that lead to
beetle kill and catastrophic forest fires, something the President has
addressed in his "healthy forest" initiative.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/healthyforests/

President George W. Bush signs the Healthy Forests Restoration Act of
2003 at the Department of Agriculture Wednesday, December 3, 2003.

On December 3, 2003, President Bush signed into law the Healthy Forests
Restoration Act of 2003 to reduce the threat of destructive wildfires
while upholding environmental standards and encouraging early public
input during review and planning processes. The legislation is based on
sound science and helps further the President.s Healthy Forests
Initiative pledge to care for America.s forests and rangelands, reduce
the risk of catastrophic fire to communities, help save the lives of
firefighters and citizens, and protect threatened and endangered species.
The Healthy Forests Restoration Act:
Strengthens public participation in developing high priority forest
health projects;
Reduces the complexity of environmental analysis allowing federal land
agencies to use the best science available to actively manage land under
their protection;
Provides a more effective appeals process encouraging early public
participation in project planning; and
Issues clear guidance for court action against forest health projects.
The Administration and a bipartisan majority in Congress supported the
legislation and are joined by a variety of environmental conservation
groups.
The Need for Common-Sense Forest Legislation

Catastrophic fires, particularly those experienced in California,
Arizona, Colorado, Montana and Oregon over the past two years, burn
hotter and faster than most ordinary fires.
Visibility and air quality are reduced, threatening even the health of
many who do not live near the fires.
The habitat for endangered species and other wildlife is destroyed.
Federal forests and rangelands also face threats from the spread of
invasive species and insect attacks.
In the past two years alone, 147,049 fires burned nearly 11 million acres
2002: 88,458 fires burned roughly 7 million acres and caused the deaths
of 23 firefighters;
2003 (thus far): 59,149 fires have burned 3.8 million acres and caused
the deaths of 28 firefighters.
Nearly 6,800 structures have been destroyed in 2003 (approximately 4,800
in California).
The California fires alone cost $250 million to contain and 22 civilians
have died as a result.


http://www.fs.fed.us/projects/hfi/

Our nation's forests and rangelands are at risk. An estimated 190
million acres of federal forests and rangelands in the United States, an
area twice the size of California, face high risk of catastrophic fire.
Decades of an accumulation of dense undergrowth and brush, along with
drought conditions, insect infestation and disease and invasion by
exotic species make forests and rangelands in many areas throughout the
country vulnerable to environmentally destructive wildfires.

Last August, President Bush stood on a blackened hillside in Oregon and
announced his Healthy Forests Initiative to improve the health of our
nation's forests and rangelands. Since then, the Bush Administration has
taken a series of actions to expedite high-priority fuel-reduction and
forest restoration projects in our nation's forests and rangelands. The
primary goal of the projects is to reduce the fire danger and return our
forests and rangelands to a healthier state.
--
ÐÏࡱá
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-19 23:23:25 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Just FYI - get a private sector job asshole!
I have one, thanks. It was hard to find a good job in the Bush economy, so I
started a software company about 3 years ago. Now I have 7
employees, and since
I write data replication software for business continuance and disaster
recovery, the disaster that is the Bush presidency has been pretty good for my
business.
Then you'd best vote for the candidate who's least likely to tax you
out of viability - BUSH!
Thanks for another case history of why Bush has been GOOD for the economy!
Like an unstoppable wildfire is actually good for the forest?
You really are a dolt.
If allowed to burn through fire is indeed *good* for the forest.
Do you say it is Bush's intent to make the US uninhabitable, in the
hopes that a new society will spring forth from the ashes of hus holocaust?

Great, you justt proved my point. Bush is a lethal religious nut case,
no better than Mohammed Atta and Osama bin Laden.
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 04:20:35 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Just FYI - get a private sector job asshole!
I have one, thanks. It was hard to find a good job in the Bush economy, so I
started a software company about 3 years ago. Now I have 7
employees, and since
I write data replication software for business continuance and disaster
recovery, the disaster that is the Bush presidency has been pretty good for my
business.
Then you'd best vote for the candidate who's least likely to tax you
out of viability - BUSH!
Thanks for another case history of why Bush has been GOOD for the economy!
Like an unstoppable wildfire is actually good for the forest?
You really are a dolt.
If allowed to burn through fire is indeed *good* for the forest.
Do you say it is Bush's intent to
I posted his plan for healthy forests, did you not like it liar scum?


http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/healthyforests/

President Bush Signs Healthy Forests Restoration Act into Law



On December 3, 2003, President Bush signed into law the Healthy Forests
Restoration Act of 2003 to reduce the threat of destructive wildfires
while upholding environmental standards and encouraging early public
input during review and planning processes. The legislation is based on
sound science and helps further the President.s Healthy Forests
Initiative pledge to care for America.s forests and rangelands, reduce
the risk of catastrophic fire to communities, help save the lives of
firefighters and citizens, and protect threatened and endangered species.
The Healthy Forests Restoration Act:
Strengthens public participation in developing high priority forest
health projects;
Reduces the complexity of environmental analysis allowing federal land
agencies to use the best science available to actively manage land under
their protection;
Provides a more effective appeals process encouraging early public
participation in project planning; and
Issues clear guidance for court action against forest health projects.
The Administration and a bipartisan majority in Congress supported the
legislation and are joined by a variety of environmental conservation
groups.
The Need for Common-Sense Forest Legislation

Catastrophic fires, particularly those experienced in California,
Arizona, Colorado, Montana and Oregon over the past two years, burn
hotter and faster than most ordinary fires.
Visibility and air quality are reduced, threatening even the health of
many who do not live near the fires.
The habitat for endangered species and other wildlife is destroyed.
Federal forests and rangelands also face threats from the spread of
invasive species and insect attacks.
In the past two years alone, 147,049 fires burned nearly 11 million acres
2002: 88,458 fires burned roughly 7 million acres and caused the deaths
of 23 firefighters;
2003 (thus far): 59,149 fires have burned 3.8 million acres and caused
the deaths of 28 firefighters.
Nearly 6,800 structures have been destroyed in 2003 (approximately 4,800
in California).
The California fires alone cost $250 million to contain and 22 civilians
have died as a result
--
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anon
2004-10-19 17:26:42 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Just FYI - get a private sector job asshole!
I have one, thanks. It was hard to find a good job in the Bush economy, so I
started a software company about 3 years ago. Now I have 7 employees, and
since I write data replication software for business continuance and disaster
recovery, the disaster that is the Bush presidency has been pretty good for
my business.
Then you'd best vote for the candidate who's least likely to tax you out of
viability - BUSH!
In the last 4 years, Bush has borrowed lots of money from me in the form of
spending money the government doesn't have and putting me on the hook to pay it
back. He's given me a tax break, yes, but it's borrowed money. I'm going to
have to pay that money back with interest, and I didn't really want to borrow
it in the first place.

Bush's tax "cut" is going to end up costing me, and probably you (and
definitely the country) money. It's not worth it.
Thanks for another case history of why Bush has been GOOD for the economy!
Man, you're nuts. If you're not working for a defense contractor (or a lawyer),
this economy stinks. There is no economic measure whereby you can say we're
better off today than we were four years ago.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 22:13:21 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Just FYI - get a private sector job asshole!
I have one, thanks. It was hard to find a good job in the Bush economy, so I
started a software company about 3 years ago. Now I have 7 employees, and
since I write data replication software for business continuance and disaster
recovery, the disaster that is the Bush presidency has been pretty good for
my business.
Then you'd best vote for the candidate who's least likely to tax you out of
viability - BUSH!
In the last 4 years, Bush has borrowed lots of money from me in the form of
spending money the government doesn't have and putting me on the hook to pay it
back. He's given me a tax break, yes, but it's borrowed money. I'm going to
have to pay that money back with interest, and I didn't really want to borrow
it in the first place.
Bush's tax "cut" is going to end up costing me, and probably you (and
definitely the country) money. It's not worth it.
Nope.

It's costing our trade partners, primarily the Japanese, Chinese, and
Euros who invest heavily in treasuries.

Wise up moron.

We just did a national refi, and *they're holding * the bag.
Post by anon
Thanks for another case history of why Bush has been GOOD for the economy!
Man, you're nuts. If you're not working for a defense contractor (or a lawyer),
this economy stinks.
A lawyesr..funny you should mention that since one of fthe biggest
contributiors to the Skerry Monster ticket is the American Trial Lawyers
Association...
Post by anon
There is no economic measure whereby you can say we're
better off today than we were four years ago.
Bubble deflations are always tough, but let's see...better
off...well..how about homeownership?

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20040929/oppose29.art.htm

Don't mess with success
Jonathan L. Kempner

The United States today enjoys the highest home-ownership rate in
history with more than 86 million American families owning homes — all
thanks to having the most effective and efficient mortgage-finance
system in the world. No other country comes close to providing
affordable mortgage financing to millions of consumers every year.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/03/20040327.html

Good morning. This week brought good news about homeownership in
America. The Census Bureau reported that new home sales in February rose
to an annual pace of 1.16 million homes, a 24 percent increase over the
past year. This success follows one of the most impressive years in
America's housing industry. More homes were sold in 2003 than ever
before. Housing starts last year were at their highest level in a
quarter century. Rising home values have helped take the wealth of
American households to a new record level.

In our growing economy, more Americans can afford a new home. Incomes
are rising. The unemployment rate is falling. Mortgage rates are low.
And because of tax relief, Americans have more to save, spend and invest
-- and that means millions of American families have moved into their
first homes.

Our nation's 68 percent homeownership rate is the highest ever, and our
government is taking steps to make owning a home a reality for more
Americans, especially minorities and those with low incomes. In June
2002, I set the goal of adding 5.5 million new minority home owners in
America by the end of this decade. Since then, more than 1.5 million
minority families have moved into houses of their own. And for the first
time, most minorities own their own home.

We are building on this progress. I have signed into law the American
Dream Down Payment Act, which will help low-income Americans to afford
the down payment and closing costs on their first home. I'm asking
Congress to provide an annual $200 million for this program. That
additional money would help an estimated 40,000 low-income families
every year become first-time homeowners. I'm proposing that we make zero
down payment loans available to first-time buyers whose mortgages are
guaranteed by the Federal Housing Administration. And this will help
about 150,000 families buy homes in the first year alone.

Another obstacle to homeownership is the often complicated process of
buying a home and getting a loan. My budget for 2005 would more than
double funding for housing counseling services from 2001 levels.

A house and a mortgage represent a big personal commitment, and we want
to prepare more Americans to make that commitment with confidence. To
make homeownership attainable for more of our citizens, I have asked
Congress to create a tax credit to encourage the construction of
affordable homes. Under my proposal, builders will have an incentive to
provide an additional 200,000 affordable homes over five years for
families with low incomes.

And finally, we are encouraging the real estate and mortgage finance
industry to join in our efforts in closing the homeownership gap. More
than two dozen major companies and organizations have committed to
extending more loans to low-income families, financing the construction
of more affordable homes, and providing financial counseling to
potential buyers. These policies will make a difference in the lives of
millions of Americans.

This week, I met with Lori Benavidez, a single mom living in
Albuquerque, New Mexico. Last November, with the help of a federal
homeownership program, she moved into her first home. Here's what Lori
says: "I never thought the day would happen when my girls and I would be
sitting in our own home. It is a miracle."

Every time a family moves into a home of their own, it fulfills a dream
and it shows faith in the future, and that faith is well-placed because
America's economy is strong and it is getting stronger.

Thank you for listening.
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anon
2004-10-19 22:49:48 UTC
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Bush's tax "cut" is going to end up costing me, and probably you (and
definitely the country) money. It's not worth it.
Nope.
It's costing our trade partners, primarily the Japanese, Chinese, and Euros
who invest heavily in treasuries.
Wise up moron.
We just did a national refi, and *they're holding * the bag.
'Cept you're wrong, on several counts. One, I still have to pay it back, and
two, take a look at this :

http://www.fms.treas.gov/bulletin/b34pdo4.doc

There are lots of people that are financing your tax cut, and they're doing it
because they know you're going to be paying them in the future.
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Thanks for another case history of why Bush has been GOOD for the economy!
Man, you're nuts. If you're not working for a defense contractor (or a
lawyer), this economy stinks.
A lawyesr..funny you should mention that since one of fthe biggest
contributiors to the Skerry Monster ticket is the American Trial Lawyers
Association...
I've never understood the fascination Republicans have with trial lawyers.
Post by anon
There is no economic measure whereby you can say we're
better off today than we were four years ago.
Bubble deflations are always tough, but let's see...better off...well..how
about homeownership?
You're right (see how easy that was?) - home ownership is up, and that's a good
thing. The lower interest rates have really helped there. Kinda funny that the
kudos for this are placed at the feet of the way we finance mortgages, and
that's something Cato and AEI (and therefore the Bush administration) have
their eyes on changing.

I grant you, though, that home ownership is up, and that's a good thing.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 23:14:42 UTC
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Post by anon
Bush's tax "cut" is going to end up costing me, and probably you (and
definitely the country) money. It's not worth it.
Nope.
It's costing our trade partners, primarily the Japanese, Chinese, and Euros
who invest heavily in treasuries.
Wise up moron.
We just did a national refi, and *they're holding * the bag.
'Cept you're wrong, on several counts. One, I still have to pay it back,
At historically *low* rates!
Post by anon
and
http://www.fms.treas.gov/bulletin/b34pdo4.doc
There are lots of people that are financing your tax cut, and they're doing it
because they know you're going to be paying them in the future.
...yawn...you prefer an immediate recession perhaps?
Post by anon
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Thanks for another case history of why Bush has been GOOD for the economy!
Man, you're nuts. If you're not working for a defense contractor (or a
lawyer), this economy stinks.
A lawyesr..funny you should mention that since one of fthe biggest
contributiors to the Skerry Monster ticket is the American Trial Lawyers
Association...
I've never understood the fascination Republicans have with trial lawyers.
Of course not, yer a tort-loving fool!

Ever wonder why health care and drugs cost so much?

Wise up junior.
Post by anon
Post by anon
There is no economic measure whereby you can say we're
better off today than we were four years ago.
Bubble deflations are always tough, but let's see...better off...well..how
about homeownership?
You're right (see how easy that was?) - home ownership is up, and that's a good
thing.
Yes it is, an historic HIGH!
Post by anon
The lower interest rates have really helped there. Kinda funny that the
kudos for this are placed at the feet of the way we finance mortgages, and
that's something Cato and AEI (and therefore the Bush administration) have
their eyes on changing.
I grant you, though, that home ownership is up, and that's a good thing.
So things are better than 4 years ago...as I said....
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Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-19 23:36:52 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by anon
Bush's tax "cut" is going to end up costing me, and probably you (and
definitely the country) money. It's not worth it.
Nope.
It's costing our trade partners, primarily the Japanese, Chinese, and Euros
who invest heavily in treasuries.
Wise up moron.
We just did a national refi, and *they're holding * the bag.
'Cept you're wrong, on several counts. One, I still have to pay it back,
At historically *low* rates!
The Fed had to drop those rates because Bush's failed policies and
incompetence were driving the US perilously close to the biggest
depression since the Great Derpression of 1929.

Thank Greenspan, not Bush.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/oct2004/nf2004108_4276_db016.htm
NEWS ANALYSIS
By Mica Schneider

For Bush, a Blast from the Ivory Tower

A B-school professors' letter flunks the President on economic smarts.
An added sting: It began at Harvard, his alma mater
George Bush, America's first President with an MBA, has been slapped on
the knuckles by 169 concerned business-school professors. In an open
letter sent on Oct. 4, the senior business and economics professors say
Bush's economic policies are taking the country in the wrong direction.
The academics, including two Nobel laureates, are especially critical of
the budget deficit, which this year is projected to come in at more than
$400 billion.

The unkindest cut of all: The idea for the letter began in the faculty
offices of Harvard Business School, where Bush earned his diploma in
1975. The architects were Harvard professors of a required, first-year
MBA course called Business, Government and the International Economy,
which teaches the ins and outs of responsible fiscal and monetary
policies and the ways in which politicians' decisions can impact society.

"WRONG DIRECTION." "The data make clear that your policy of slashing
taxes -- primarily for those at the upper reaches of the income
distribution -- has not worked," the letter says. "Nearly every major
economic indicator has deteriorated since you took office in January,
2001...[and] if your economic advisers are telling you that these
deficits can be defeated through further reductions in tax rates, then
you need new advisers."

"Politically desirable policies can have negative economic effects,"
says Debora Spar, professor of business administration at Harvard, and
one of the early signatories. "If you look at [the U.S. economy] in a
purely analytical way, just at numbers, they're all heading in the wrong
direction."

All the professors who signed the letter -- and more signatures are
expected next week -- are tenured or emeritus, and 50 hail from Harvard.
(Harvard Business School says the views are of faculty members who chose
to sign the document, not of the institution.) Two signers are Nobel
laureates -- Harvard's Robert Merton and William Sharpe, an emeritus
professor from Stanford -- and two have won Pulitzer prizes.

MORE TAXES, LESS SPENDING. Harvard professors David Moss and Louis
Wells, who drafted the note, say the signatures aren't purely partisan.
"Many of us thought that as we moved closer to an election, there would
be more serious discussion about the economy," says Moss. But when
political discourse turned to Kerry's combat record in Vietnam and the
unrest in Iraq, "there was a view that it was our responsibility to
focus attention on the economy," Moss adds.

The professors had different reasons for deciding to become pundits.
Theresa Lant, who teaches management and organizational behavior at New
York University's Stern School of Business, points to policies she
thinks are "potentially destabilizing." Michael Cusumano, a professor of
management at Massachusetts Institute of Technology's B-school says: "I
think almost every policy the Bush Administration has undertaken is
wrong, whether it's economic or military."

What should Bush do? The letter doesn't spell it out exactly, but the
signers point to the basic economics textbooks Bush would have read in
the 1970s: Reduce the budget deficit before it starts to act as a dead
weight on the economy and forces interest rates higher. That means
spending cuts and tax increases. "You can't have long-term tax cuts and
have spending continue to grow," Wells adds. Or as the letter says,
"from a policy standpoint, the clear message is that more of the same
won't work."

CHICAGO SKEPTIC. The professors' letter also expresses concern for the
widening gap between the haves and have-nots in America: "Some degree of
inequality is inherent in any free-market economy, creating positive
incentives for economic and technological advancement. But when
inequality becomes extreme, it can be socially corrosive and
economically dysfunctional.... With all due respect, we believe your tax
policy has exacerbated the problem of inequality in the United States,
which has worrisome implications for the economy as a whole."

Some professors passed on signing the letter. Randall Kroszner, who
teaches economics at the University of Chicago Graduate School of
Business and was a member of President Bush's Council of Economic
Advisers from 2001 to 2003, certainly won't be adding his name. He says
the letter ignores or dismisses the factors that were outside the
control of the Bush Administration, such as corporate governance
scandals, the 2001 recession, and the costs arising from September 11,
including the war on terror.

What's more, Kroszner says the signing professors' assumption that a
deficit leads automatically to higher interest rates and inflation is
simply wrong. "We have recently had robust economic growth, but when you
read the letter, you'd think that we've been in a major recession," he
says. "We've had particularly strong growth in the past few quarters,"
and interest rates remain low.

LOW GRADE. Yet others say the letter could have gone further. What
about job losses to overseas outsourcing and record levels of consumer
debt, asks Daniel Smith, interim dean at Indiana University's Kelley
School of Business?

Bush hasn't responded to the criticism. But one thing is clear: If the
President were to visit his alma mater and present his case for spending
and cutting taxes, many professors "wouldn't give a stellar grade by any
stretch of the imagination," says Spar. For a school known for its
apolitical approach to business issues, this Harvard experiment is one
that Bush may want to take to heart.
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 04:19:09 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by anon
Bush's tax "cut" is going to end up costing me, and probably you (and
definitely the country) money. It's not worth it.
Nope.
It's costing our trade partners, primarily the Japanese, Chinese, and Euros
who invest heavily in treasuries.
Wise up moron.
We just did a national refi, and *they're holding * the bag.
'Cept you're wrong, on several counts. One, I still have to pay it back,
At historically *low* rates!
The Fed had to drop those rates because Bush's failed policies
Oh?

Not what Greenspan said:


http://money.cnn.com/2001/01/25/economy/greenspan/

WASHINGTON (CNNfn) - Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan gave his
broadest endorsement of tax cuts to date Thursday, while also indicating
that the U.S. economy has slowed dramatically, raising investors' hopes
that further interest rate reductions are on the horizon.

In testimony to the Senate Budget Committee, Greenspan declined to
comment on President Bush's $1.6 trillion, 10-year tax cut plan, saying
a decision on the size of a cut was best left up to Congress and the
political process. But the Fed chairman's backing of tax cuts as
economically sound likely will provide a boost to the new
administration's proposals.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/business.cfm?id=174982004

Greenspan backs making Bush tax cuts permanent

TIM AHMANN FOREIGN STAFF


ALAN Greenspan, the US Federal Reserve chairman, yesterday lent support
to a White House bid to make $1.7 trillion in tax cuts permanent,
telling Congress that the best way to cut budget deficits was to control
spending.
anon
2004-10-20 04:42:02 UTC
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http://money.cnn.com/2001/01/25/economy/greenspan/
WASHINGTON (CNNfn) - Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan gave his broadest
endorsement of tax cuts to date Thursday, while also indicating that the U.S.
economy has slowed dramatically, raising investors' hopes that further
interest rate reductions are on the horizon.
In testimony to the Senate Budget Committee, Greenspan declined to comment on
President Bush's $1.6 trillion, 10-year tax cut plan, saying a decision on the
size of a cut was best left up to Congress and the political process. But the
Fed chairman's backing of tax cuts as economically sound likely will provide a
boost to the new administration's proposals.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/business.cfm?id=174982004
Greenspan backs making Bush tax cuts permanent
TIM AHMANN FOREIGN STAFF
ALAN Greenspan, the US Federal Reserve chairman, yesterday lent support to a
White House bid to make $1.7 trillion in tax cuts permanent, telling Congress
that the best way to cut budget deficits was to control spending.
Yet, interest rates have fallen, and now Greenspan himself is talking about
needing to either raise taxes or cut Social Security. Is Greenspan now lying,
because Bush says we won't cut it?
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 04:52:50 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
http://money.cnn.com/2001/01/25/economy/greenspan/
WASHINGTON (CNNfn) - Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan gave his broadest
endorsement of tax cuts to date Thursday, while also indicating that the U.S.
economy has slowed dramatically, raising investors' hopes that further
interest rate reductions are on the horizon.
In testimony to the Senate Budget Committee, Greenspan declined to comment on
President Bush's $1.6 trillion, 10-year tax cut plan, saying a decision on the
size of a cut was best left up to Congress and the political process. But the
Fed chairman's backing of tax cuts as economically sound likely will provide a
boost to the new administration's proposals.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/business.cfm?id=174982004
Greenspan backs making Bush tax cuts permanent
TIM AHMANN FOREIGN STAFF
ALAN Greenspan, the US Federal Reserve chairman, yesterday lent support to a
White House bid to make $1.7 trillion in tax cuts permanent, telling Congress
that the best way to cut budget deficits was to control spending.
Yet, interest rates have fallen,
And Alan said:

http://www.canada.com/businesscentre/story.html?id=00b2124e-2bab-407d-9ee3-2fbd04139512

WASHINGTON (AP) - The record weight of debt being carried by American
households and soaring home prices do not represent serious threats to
the U.S. economy, Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan said Tuesday.

Greenspan said high levels of personal bankruptcies are a concern
because they indicate "pockets of distress" among American households.
But he said the vast majority of consumers "appear able to calibrate
their borrowing and spending to minimize financial difficulties."

In a speech before America's Community Bankers, an organization of small
banks, Greenspan played down worries about the high debt carried by
American households as a percentage of after-tax incomes and the steep
increases in home prices in recent years.


http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/040721/greenspan_12.html

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan Defends President Bush's Series
of Tax Cuts


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said
Wednesday that Congress has lost the ability to manage crucial long-term
budget issues and new mechanisms are needed to keep future costs from
ballooning beyond the nation's ability to pay.

Greenspan defended President Bush's three rounds of tax cuts, saying
they had helped ensure that the 2001 recession was mild and brief and
have provided critical stimulus to keep the current rebound on track.
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anon
2004-10-20 04:52:33 UTC
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Yet, interest rates have fallen,
<snip> (you should learn how to do this)

I meant to say that interest rates have *not* fallen.

Do you deny that Greenspan has recently said we're either going to have to
raise taxes or cut Social Security payments?
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:11:51 UTC
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Post by anon
Yet, interest rates have fallen,
<snip>
FUCK YOU LIAR!

U.S. Rep. Pete Stark on Wednesday defended his vote -- on the losing
side of a 402-2 House roll call -- for reinstating a military draft, a
bill even its author no longer supported.
Stark, D-Fremont, was among the bill's original co-sponsors and said
Wednesday he's just being consistent: "I couldn't figure out, if I
thought it was good last January, why it would have been bad yesterday."

The bill, authored by Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., would have applied to
men and women ages 18 to 26; exemptions would have been granted to let
people graduate from high school, but college students would have had to
serve. Anyone not qualified for military service because of impairments
would have been asked to perform community service.

The bill and its Senate equivalent by Fritz Hollings, D-S.C., were
introduced in January 2003 and went nowhere until recently, when
Internet rumors circulated that the Bush administration was secretly
maneuvering toward a draft.

GOP leaders said they called the vote Tuesday to quash those rumors -- a
rare instance of bringing forth a bill solely to kill it, even as its
own author opposed it. Rangel said he'd introduced the bill before the
Iraq war to encourage people to think twice about President Bush's
foreign policy; bringing it to a vote was just a Republican
election-year tactic, he said.
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anon
2004-10-20 05:24:27 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by anon
Yet, interest rates have fallen,
<snip>
FUCK YOU LIAR!
Fuck you, too, dolt. If you can't tell, we're talking about two different
things. The Selective Service is preparing for an "essential skills" draft, not
a military draft. You're talking about reactivating the military draft, which,
while I wouldn't be surprised to see given Bush's designs on Iran, Syria, and
Lebanon, isn't really at issue.

What's at issue is whether the Selective Service is preparing a draft of people
the the DoD and DHS designate as having "essential skills", and they are,
whether you like it or not.

Now, I'm really done. I've killfilled you, because you're an idiot.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:31:26 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by anon
Yet, interest rates have fallen,
<snip>
FUCK YOU LIAR!
Fuck you, too, dolt.
FUCK YOU TO HELL YOU LYING BASTARD!

U.S. Rep. Pete Stark on Wednesday defended his vote -- on the losing
side of a 402-2 House roll call -- for reinstating a military draft, a
bill even its author no longer supported.
Stark, D-Fremont, was among the bill's original co-sponsors and said
Wednesday he's just being consistent: "I couldn't figure out, if I
thought it was good last January, why it would have been bad yesterday."

The bill, authored by Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., would have applied to
men and women ages 18 to 26; exemptions would have been granted to let
people graduate from high school, but college students would have had to
serve. Anyone not qualified for military service because of impairments
would have been asked to perform community service.

The bill and its Senate equivalent by Fritz Hollings, D-S.C., were
introduced in January 2003 and went nowhere until recently, when
Internet rumors circulated that the Bush administration was secretly
maneuvering toward a draft.

GOP leaders said they called the vote Tuesday to quash those rumors -- a
rare instance of bringing forth a bill solely to kill it, even as its
own author opposed it. Rangel said he'd introduced the bill before the
Iraq war to encourage people to think twice about President Bush's
foreign policy; bringing it to a vote was just a Republican
election-year tactic, he said.


Btw- you wanna play this game ALL NIGHT LONG?


On!

Prepare to be BURIED you lying bastard!
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Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-20 05:53:44 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by anon
Yet, interest rates have fallen,
<snip>
FUCK YOU LIAR!
Fuck you, too, dolt.
FUCK YOU TO HELL YOU LYING BASTARD!
My, what a petulant angry little troll.

The GOP isn't in the business of facts.

They are a lie manufacturing and distribution machine, in addition to a
stupidity tax collection agent and distillery of evil.

Repetition does not make truth. Repetition just shows you to be
obstinate and stupid.
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:35:34 UTC
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Post by anon
Now, I'm really done. I've killfilled you, because you're an idiot.
YOU are in MY HOUSE ASSHOLE!

FUCK YOU!

FUCK YOUR LIES!

GOT IT?

GOOD!!!
Post by anon
U.S. Rep. Pete Stark on Wednesday defended his vote -- on the losing side of a 402-2 House roll call -- for reinstating a military draft, a bill even its author no longer supported.
Stark, D-Fremont, was among the bill's original co-sponsors and said Wednesday he's just being consistent: "I couldn't figure out, if I thought it was good last January, why it would have been bad yesterday."
The bill, authored by Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., would have applied to men and women ages 18 to 26; exemptions would have been granted to let people graduate from high school, but college students would have had to serve. Anyone not qualified for military service because of impairments would have been asked to perform community service.
The bill and its Senate equivalent by Fritz Hollings, D-S.C., were introduced in January 2003 and went nowhere until recently, when Internet rumors circulated that the Bush administration was secretly maneuvering toward a draft.
GOP leaders said they called the vote Tuesday to quash those rumors -- a rare instance of bringing forth a bill solely to kill it, even as its own author opposed it. Rangel said he'd introduced the bill before the Iraq war to encourage people to think twice about President Bush's foreign policy; bringing it to a vote was just a Republican election-year tactic, he said.
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Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-20 05:55:16 UTC
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Post by anon
Now, I'm really done. I've killfilled you, because you're an idiot.
YOU are in MY ASSHOLE!
I WANT TO FUCK YOU!
FUCK YOUR BODY WHERE IT LIES!
I GOT WOOD FOR IT!
MMM, MMM, GOOD!!!
You are sick and perverted, Spamuel. You need help and to be
disconnected from the Net.

The GOP isn't in the business of facts.

They are a lie manufacturing and distribution machine, in addition to a
stupidity tax collection agent and distillery of evil.

Repetition does not make truth. Repetition just shows you to be
obstinate and stupid.
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-20 05:52:24 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by anon
Yet, interest rates have fallen,
<snip>
FUCK YOU LIAR!
The GOP isn't in the business of facts.

They are a lie manufacturing and distribution machine, in addition to a
stupidity tax collection agent and distillery of evil.

Repetition does not make truth. Repetition just shows you to be
obstinate and stupid.
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
anon
2004-10-20 00:33:16 UTC
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Post by anon
'Cept you're wrong, on several counts. One, I still have to pay it back,
At historically *low* rates!
Don't look now, but I just loaned you several billion dollars. Don't worry, the
interest rate on that loan is "historically low". What's that? You didn't want
to borrow the money? You didn't need the loan? Too bad, it already happened.

You got scammed. The Bush administration has bought your loyalty by borrowing
money on your behalf, and giving you the loan proceeds. You're still on the
hook for the loan.
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
I've never understood the fascination Republicans have with trial lawyers.
Of course not, yer a tort-loving fool!
Ever wonder why health care and drugs cost so much?
No, I know exactly why health care and drugs cost so much. It doesn't have much
to do with tort law.
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
I grant you, though, that home ownership is up, and that's a good thing.
So things are better than 4 years ago...as I said....
The rate of home ownership is higher, as I said - "things" aren't better. More
people own homes, that's good. More people are also bankrupt, unemployed, and a
variety of other stuff that's not so good. All 'cause you wanted a loan.
peeps
2004-10-20 03:35:51 UTC
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http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
'Cept you're wrong, on several counts. One, I still have to pay it back,
At historically *low* rates!
Don't look now, but I just loaned you several billion dollars. Don't worry, the
interest rate on that loan is "historically low". What's that? You didn't want
to borrow the money? You didn't need the loan? Too bad, it already happened.
You got scammed. The Bush administration has bought your loyalty by borrowing
money on your behalf, and giving you the loan proceeds. You're still on the
hook for the loan.
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
I've never understood the fascination Republicans have with trial lawyers.
Of course not, yer a tort-loving fool!
Ever wonder why health care and drugs cost so much?
No, I know exactly why health care and drugs cost so much. It doesn't have much
to do with tort law.
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
I grant you, though, that home ownership is up, and that's a good thing.
So things are better than 4 years ago...as I said....
The rate of home ownership is higher, as I said - "things" aren't better. More
people own homes, that's good. More people are also bankrupt, unemployed, and a
variety of other stuff that's not so good. All 'cause you wanted a loan.
anon
2004-10-20 04:40:42 UTC
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Post by peeps
http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv
Your link doesn't work, at least for me.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 04:50:38 UTC
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Post by anon
Your link doesn't work,
Your mind doesn't either.
--
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anon
2004-10-20 04:53:26 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Your link doesn't work,
Your mind doesn't either.
Oooh, witty.

Come back when you've done some thinking for yourself. Mindlessly repeating
what Bush says doesn't count. A tape recorder can do that.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:12:11 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Your link doesn't work,
Your mind doesn't either.
Oooh, witty.
Ooohhh fact!

U.S. Rep. Pete Stark on Wednesday defended his vote -- on the losing
side of a 402-2 House roll call -- for reinstating a military draft, a
bill even its author no longer supported.
Stark, D-Fremont, was among the bill's original co-sponsors and said
Wednesday he's just being consistent: "I couldn't figure out, if I
thought it was good last January, why it would have been bad yesterday."

The bill, authored by Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., would have applied to
men and women ages 18 to 26; exemptions would have been granted to let
people graduate from high school, but college students would have had to
serve. Anyone not qualified for military service because of impairments
would have been asked to perform community service.

The bill and its Senate equivalent by Fritz Hollings, D-S.C., were
introduced in January 2003 and went nowhere until recently, when
Internet rumors circulated that the Bush administration was secretly
maneuvering toward a draft.

GOP leaders said they called the vote Tuesday to quash those rumors -- a
rare instance of bringing forth a bill solely to kill it, even as its
own author opposed it. Rangel said he'd introduced the bill before the
Iraq war to encourage people to think twice about President Bush's
foreign policy; bringing it to a vote was just a Republican
election-year tactic, he said.
--
ÐÏࡱá
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-20 05:52:35 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Your link doesn't work,
Your mind doesn't either.
Oooh, witty.
Ooohhh fact!
The GOP isn't in the business of facts.

They are a lie manufacturing and distribution machine, in addition to a
stupidity tax collection agent and distillery of evil.

Repetition does not make truth. Repetition just shows you to be
obstinate and stupid.
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-19 15:08:51 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by End Corporate Rule
end corporate rule
Drop dead you damned traitor.
Just FYI, corporations != USA
Just FYI - get a private sector job asshole!
That's a little had unless you can trade on Republican favoritism or
sell out your countrymen, traitor.
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 16:02:45 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by End Corporate Rule
end corporate rule
Drop dead you damned traitor.
Just FYI, corporations != USA
Just FYI - get a private sector job asshole!
That's a little had
For a lying luser like you, I think so.

Your resume must be an utter embarrassment.
--
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Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-19 14:52:59 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by End Corporate Rule
end corporate rule
Drop dead you damned traitor.
You first, al Zarkawi!
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 16:02:42 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by End Corporate Rule
end corporate rule
Drop dead you damned traitor.
You first,
No YOU, asshole!
--
ÐÏࡱá
Zippy the Pinhead
2004-10-19 03:37:31 UTC
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Post by Captain Compassion
Folks in the Burbs can afford to snort.
Yep, so they all do it. Just like everyone in poor neighborhoods
smoke crack.

And there are no bigots in your family, right?
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 05:28:57 UTC
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Post by End Corporate Rule
There is more crack in the white neighborhoods around here than in the black
ones.
PROVE IT, ASSHOLE LIBERAL CLASS WARRIOR!

Go on, fucking prove it.
--
ÐÏࡱá
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-19 15:01:47 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by End Corporate Rule
There is more crack in the white neighborhoods around here than in the
black ones.
PROVE IT, ASSHOLE LIBERAL CLASS WARRIOR!
Go on, fucking prove it.
The crack Spammy lusts after has a plumber attached to it.
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-18 23:01:15 UTC
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Post by End Corporate Rule
<start quote>
The Republican Party's racist views are now open for all to see
Your worst racists are *always* 'Rats.

Al Sharpton...

Shakedown Jesse Jackson...

LBJ....

etc...
--
ÐÏࡱá
End Corporate Rule
2004-10-18 23:41:52 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by End Corporate Rule
<start quote>
The Republican Party's racist views are now open for all to see
Your worst racists are *always* 'Rats.
Al Sharpton...
Shakedown Jesse Jackson...
LBJ....
etc...
Another article for your perusal:

--quote



Counted Out

By Anne-Marie Cusac, The Progressive

Posted on September 20, 2004, Printed on October 18, 2004

http://www.alternet.org/story/19917/

What if Republican shenanigans tip the election? Many members of the
media are looking at the dangers voting machines may pose to the integrity
of the national election. Others are wondering whether voters may be
disenfranchised by use of faulty felon lists, as happened in Florida in
2000. But there is another danger: Republicans may use a variety of tactics
to suppress the vote of racial minorities in swing states. These tactics
could determine control of the White House or the Senate.

In August, the Zogby International poll raised the number of
battleground states from sixteen to twenty. In those states, notes John
Zogby, "the pounding has been relentless."

Zogby was referring to negative ads, but the sanctity of the vote is
also taking a pounding. In some states, Republicans are threatening to
conduct widespread vote challenges in heavily minority areas. In others,
recent events suggest that poll workers may wrongly turn away voters. In
still others, new laws passed or enforced by Republicans have erected
hurdles to trip up the minority vote. And on Election Day itself, say
advocates, Republicans may direct numerous tricks at Democratic districts in
an effort to confuse or frighten voters.

Here's a rundown of what's happening in several swing states.

Arizona

On the ballot in Arizona this November is a Republican-authored
referendum called Protect Arizona Now or Proposition 200, which would do
several things, including requiring proof of citizenship for anyone
registering to vote. Steve Gallardo, a Democratic state legislator from
Arizona, worries about what some supporters of that initiative might do.
"There's a lot of rumors... that they want to stand out in front of polling
places and report voters-anyone they feel is here illegally and is voting in
our elections," he says. "Our fear is they're going to intimidate Arizona
citizens, U.S. citizens who are brown-skinned. Imagine going up to the poll
and seeing a man standing there with a gun and asking if you're a citizen.
Are you not going to turn away?"

The Arizona attorney general's office acknowledges that it has heard
similar rumors.

Does Protect Arizona Now plan to make an appearance at the polls? "I
really don't know what we're going to do," says Kathy McKee, the founder of
Protect Arizona Now. She says she's worried about fraud.

"In our state, a person can register to vote from a computer in their
home, mail in their registration, and they have not shown their face in
public, much less their identity," says McKee. Lots of people, she says, are
"coming across our borders illegally and getting jobs, which is a felony.
Why would they hesitate to vote?" McKee and other Protect Arizona Now
members say that voter fraud is already high in the state and is bound to
rise in the close election. The voter registration drives targeting the
state have piqued their anger. "There are several groups from around the
country that have just besieged Arizona," says McKee. "Project Vote Smart,
which really disappointed me. The infamous Southwest Voter Registration
Project, Moving America Forward, New American Freedom Summer, the Urban
Institute. They have been in this state only targeting Hispanic voters.
That's the most racist thing I've ever heard."

On September 7, primary day, two gentlemen came to Tucson Precinct 30,
says a poll worker there named Ross (who does not want his last name
mentioned). "They were both very intimidating and forceful looking," he
says. "They said they were checking polls to see if illegal aliens were
voting. They said their organization's name was Truth in Action." The men,
says Ross, told him they believed that "Mexicans are coming to vote because
it's really easy."

"They were making the runs on all kinds of polls," says Aurora Duron,
AFL-CIO Tucson coordinator of the My Vote-My Right Campaign.

Russ Dove is editor of tianews.com, the website of Truth in Action,
which supports Protect Arizona Now. He says he visited five polls on
September 7. As a door-to-door campaigner for Proposition 200, Dove says he
heard "verbal evidence from individuals on the street who said, 'Yes,
illegal immigrants are voting.' " Dove says he is "bent on discovering" how
many are doing so.

On the day I contact Dove, he is a little out of sorts. The AFL-CIO,
he says, has accused him of intimidating voters. "Why would someone who
supports the Constitution and wants to exercise his rights as a citizen
intimidate U.S. citizens?" he asks. "What they're saying is that they know
there are illegals voting."

On primary day, Dove says he sported "a black T-shirt with 'U.S.
Constitutional Enforcement' on the back" and the image of a badge on the
front. "I wear a tool belt," he says. On primary day, that belt carried
tools, a camera, and a video recorder. Dove says he used the camera to take
"some photographs of the polling places." He used the video recorder to film
"all the conversations I had." Dove says that more people want to monitor
polls in November. "After the AFL-CIO threw their fit," he says, people
started wanting to get involved. "They said, 'Let's get the T-shirts printed
up and let's go," he says.

"The only people we will bother are people who are in violation of the
law," says Dove. For instance, if he sees "a busload of Hispanic individuals
who didn't speak English and who voted," he plans to follow that bus to make
sure they aren't voting more than once.

Florida

The state that started it all in 2000 is no stranger to controversy
this election. In July, The Miami Herald revealed that the state issued
faulty felon purge lists containing the names of 48,000 people it said were
ineligible to vote. Among these were 2,100 who actually were eligible
voters. Many of these people were African American Democrats. The list of
48,000 also contained only sixty-one Hispanic names. (Because of Florida's
large Cuban population, the Hispanic vote in Florida is predominantly
Republican. The Florida African American vote, on the other hand, tends to
be heavily Democratic.)

In mid-August, New York Times columnist Bob Herbert revealed that the
state was investigating get-out-the-vote drives among blacks in Orlando by
sending armed police officers into the homes of citizens who had filed
absentee ballots. Most of these citizens were African American, and many
were elderly.

And in Florida's late August primary, representatives from People for
the American Way saw poll workers turn back registered voters who neglected
to bring their IDs. "Under Florida law," noted The New York Times,
"registered voters can vote without showing identification."

But there's a lot more going on in the state, according to Alma
Gonzalez, spokeswoman for the Voter Protection Coalition in Florida and
special counsel to the American Federation of State, County and Municipal
Employees. "We keep hoping that they've learned from 2000," but early
indications are that they haven't, she says. "When some of our members have
gone to early voting or to register to vote, they're being asked if they're
citizens of the United States." Gonzalez says she has heard from "about half
a dozen people, all of them in South Florida," who approached the polls as
part of the early election only to be asked their citizenship. And it's not
poll watchers who are asking, says Gonzalez. It's "the poll workers, the
duly deputized election officials."

Registered voters, Gonzalez points out, have already attested to their
citizenship in their registration forms. "They cannot ask you your
citizenship at the polling place. It's unlawful," says Gonzalez. "When that
question is asked of you" based on your skin color or the fact that you have
an accent, "it is not intended to ensure that you're complying with the law.
It's intended to suppress voters." And, even though public attention to the
faulty felon voter purge lists led the Florida government to say belatedly
that it would not use them this time, the word has traveled slowly. "We are
still getting reports from people when they go to vote in different parts of
the state," says Gonzalez. "Apparently, there are still inaccuracies."

Then there's the provisional ballot crisis. In Florida in 2000, many
people who attempted to vote found that they were not on the rolls, even
though they had registered. This is the reasoning behind the provisional
ballot requirement in the federal Help America Vote Act. If a voter is
wrongly removed from the rolls in the future, he or she should be able to
file a provisional ballot. Most states interpret this part of the act as
allowing provisional ballots as long as the voter files them in the correct
county. Florida is a little different. Rather than the correct county,
voters must submit their provisional ballots to the correct precinct. "This
will disenfranchise thousands and thousands of voters," says Gonzalez.

So the AFL-CIO is suing Florida Secretary of State Glenda Hood, along
with two election supervisors from areas of Florida that have seen some of
the largest population increases, and some of the most marked changes in
precinct lines. The precinct requirements "impermissibly abridge the right
to vote," the AFL says.

How intentional is all this on the part of Florida officials? "They're
all intentional," Gonzalez says. "People didn't do these things in their
sleep." Then she qualifies the point, saying the real question is, are they
intentionally trying to suppress voter turnout? "I'm not going to make that
allegation," she says. "I know what the result is." And, she points out,
under the Voting Rights Act, the issue is not whether you intended to
disenfranchise people, but what is the result. "These election schemes and
the conduct of these officials are undermining" the rights of people to
vote.

Michigan

Michigan is the state that Jon Greenbaum, director of the Voting
Rights Project for the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law,
mentions as a potential trouble spot. On July 16, the Detroit Free Press
quoted John Pappageorge, a Republican state representative from Troy,
Michigan, who said, "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we're going to
have a tough time in this election cycle." Detroit is 83 percent African
American.

Pappageorge later told the Associated Press that he was not advocating
suppression of the black vote but that "you get it [the Detroit vote] down
with a good message."

Cecelie Counts, AFL-CIO director of civil, human, and women's rights,
says she thinks Pappageorge was acknowledging the truth the first time
around. "That is the political reality in most of these swing states," she
says. Democrats "can't win Ohio or Michigan or Pennsylvania without the
African American vote, without a tremendous African American vote." And, she
says, by using census numbers, Republican strategists "can pinpoint places"
where minority voters are likely to influence an election. "They know it's
Detroit. They know it's Kansas City and St. Louis. They know it's Las
Vegas."

In late April, the Republican Party of Michigan announced that it
hoped to recruit 1,000 poll watchers to monitor elections. The party told
the Detroit Free Press that it planned to assign 300 of those to Oakland
County, home of Pontiac, which is heavily minority. Why? The Republicans
claimed that they had evidence that some people there had voted up to four
times under different names. But even Republican Oakland County Clerk G.
William Caddell doubted the allegation. "Last night was the first I'd heard
of any problems," Caddell told the paper. "I want to be a good party person,
but I haven't heard about this, and none of my local clerks have reported
problems."

"We know there is going to be an aggressive effort to have poll
watchers" across the country, including in Pontiac, says Greenbaum. "A poll
watcher can be very intimidating." He says poll workers can confront voters
with questions like, "What's your name?" or "What are you doing here?" or
imply that the voters shouldn't be voting.

At issue is whether the poll watchers "are making accusations" that
are based on real reasons or whether they're trying to slow down the lines
"and impede voters, so less polling gets done," says Greenbaum.

Michigan is no stranger to aggressive poll watchers. In the 1999
election, a group calling itself Citizens for a Better Hamtramck went to the
polling centers in Hamtramck, Michigan, and approached people who appeared
to be Arab. "As people were standing outside waiting to vote, this group
took it upon itself to ask people to prove they were citizens," says Laila
Al-Qatami, communications director for the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination
Committee. "They were asking voters to step aside and say an oath of
citizenship, even if they were capable of producing a U.S. passport." The
group, says Al-Qatami, humiliated people, prohibited people from entering
and voting and broke the law. The U.S. government filed a lawsuit that
claimed violations of the Voting Rights Act. As part of an agreement
resolving the suit, the U.S. Justice Department sent election monitors to
Hamtramck between 2000 and 2003.

Missouri

The secretary of state of Missouri, Matt Blunt, is running for
governor on the Republican Party ticket. "This gentleman has a vested
interest in suppressing the black voter turnout in this state," says John
Hickey, executive director of the Missouri Progressive Vote Coalition.

"That is a ridiculous statement," says Spence Jackson, spokesperson
for Blunt. "It is directly because of Matt Blunt's leadership that we have
provisional balloting in our state." Because of Blunt, says Jackson,
"thousands of voters have been given the opportunity to vote when they
otherwise would not have had it." Provisional ballots allow voters who lack
IDs, or whose names don't appear on the rolls, to cast votes. But the
version Blunt introduced, concedes Jackson, requires that voters file any
provisional ballots in the correct precinct-a demand that prompted a lawsuit
from the Democratic Party and some citizens of Kansas City.

The suit claims that the new federal Help America Vote Act supersedes
the older state law. It also alleges that toll-free help lines were so
jammed during the August primary that many voters were unable to find out
their correct polling site.

Other ominous problems cropped up that day. "In Democratic districts,
which also happened to be predominantly African American, there were polls
that opened late, like 10 a.m. instead of 7 a.m., which is a real problem
for working people," says Counts of the AFL-CIO. "The hours weren't extended
during the evening." Counts also says that "people who showed up without ID
were turned away from the polls and not given /provisional ballots," even
though that's what the law required.

The ID requirement, says Hickey, is a new law aimed at the black vote.
It requires voters "to present the picture ID, unless the election official
recognizes you." Where are they going to recognize you? asks Hickey. In
small towns and rural areas, which, he points out, are majority white. In
urban areas, says Hickey, it's more likely that poll workers won't recognize
you, especially in areas that are poor and where people move frequently.
"That means you need a picture ID in the city and not the country. The
city's black. The country's white."

The new law amounts to "a sophisticated effort to suppress the vote,"
says Hickey. And he says the Republicans have given thought to this
strategy. "OK, if we can shave off 1,000 black votes here and 500 black
votes there, that's how" we're going to win. "It is disproportionately
excluding poor and minority voters, and that is exactly why the Republicans
passed that law after they took over the legislature."

Nevada

In late August, Gary Peck, executive director of the ACLU of Nevada,
met with the registrars from the Reno and Las Vegas areas. Peck says the
registrar of Washoe County, which includes Reno, "noted that he had received
calls" from people identifying themselves as members of the Republican
Party. These Republicans, according to Peck, said "they intended to be out
at polling places to challenge voters."

The registrar of Washoe County is Daniel Burk. "An official of the
Republican Party" came to his office one day with a small group, he says.
The official asked how to launch a "full-scale program for challenging
voters who come to the polls." Burk says he informed the Republicans that
vote challenges should be used narrowly, when one voter with personal
knowledge of another calls attention to a problem.

"One said, 'Well, we were thinking of a wider scale use of it. We were
thinking of challenging lots of voters,' " says Burk. It was the way they
looked at each other, he says. "I began to wonder, what are they up to? I
just told them I wouldn't tolerate it. The process isn't designed for one
party challenging another."

Burk worked as a registrar in Oregon for eighteen years before he came
to his position in Nevada seven years ago. "I have never in all those
twenty-five years had a person challenge another person," he says.

The revelations, says Peck, are "consistent with reports people are
getting all around the country. Republicans have a national strategy of
going out and challenging voters" come November 2. "Our concerns are utterly
nonpartisan," says Peck. "It's the integrity and fairness of the election."
Although Nevada law does allow for voter challenges when a challenger has
personal information about a voter's citizenship or place of residence, "it
becomes problematic when people are using this strategically, in a partisan
way." For instance, he says, "it would certainly be improper if they picked
out the names of Latinos."

Juventino Camarena, a field representative for the Painters Union, is
registering voters and keeping an eye out on voter protection issues as part
of the My Vote-My Right campaign of the AFL-CIO. He is worried. "The people
have been thinking what happened in Florida couldn't happen in Nevada,"
Camarena says. "Now, we're seeing little tactics here and little tactics
there. There are all kinds of ways to confuse a person so bad that he takes
it to his heart that it's so difficult, and I'm doing it for what? I've seen
it in Mexico since I was a little kid. That's why I took it to heart to stop
it. They're suppressing the right of the voter."

New Mexico

In August, a group comprised mostly of Republicans filed a suit
claiming that people who were registering for the first time through a third
party voter registration group, such as ACORN, should have to show IDs when
they voted. The group said it was worried about voter fraud. Democrats said
the Republicans were trying to disenfranchise voters.

"The plaintiffs are not able to demonstrate any fraud whatsoever,"
Luis Stelzner, an attorney, said while arguing against the ID requirement,
according to the Associated Press. "The only thing we've heard from them is
a vague fear of fraud." (Two plaintiffs in the suit who said that they were
concerned about voter registration fraud admitted that they knew of no
instances of the crime.) On September 7, Robert Thompson, a state district
judge, refused to issue an injunction to force people to show IDs at the
polls. "The eleventh-hour request by the plaintiffs creates a risk of
substantially disrupting the public voting process, which far outweighs any
potential harm to the plaintiffs," wrote Thompson in his decision.

The fraud allegations may be the least of the problems. Reyna Juarez,
the administrative director of Revisioning New Mexico, a social justice
organization connected to the International Association of Machinists and
Aerospace Workers, says that in 2000 her organization received reports that
the immigration patrol showed up near some New Mexican polling sites. "Down
south, they have the migra trucks that sit outside and scare people away,"
she says. "Not necessarily right outside the polls but in the neighborhood
of the polls, so you see these enormous lime-green trucks."

South Dakota

South Dakota is hardly a swing state in the common sense, since George
W. Bush is set to win here by a landslide. But the state is seeing a rough
Senatorial race. The Republicans have targeted Senate Minority Leader Tom
Daschle for removal. And one tool is a new law that requires all voters to
show ID at the polls and get all absentee ballots notarized.

During the 2002 election, Democratic Senator Tim Johnson won his seat
by only 524 votes. He had strong Native American support. Republicans
weren't happy about that. "In South Dakota, the common tactic is to allege
voter fraud," particularly when the Democrats win, says Bryan Sells, staff
attorney with the ACLU Voting Rights Project. "Usually it's called 'Indian
voter fraud.' In fact, I can't recall a case of someone alleging 'non-Indian
voter fraud.' The idea is, whether true or not, you create the sense" that
Native American voters are not to be trusted.

After investigating fifty charges of fraud following that 2002
election, State Attorney General Mark Barnett, a Republican, said, "There
was no widespread fraud and the election results are valid. No one stole the
election."

Nonetheless, Republicans introduced legislation that Sells
characterizes as "voter suppression." The legislation requires South
Dakotans to show a picture ID in order to vote or else write up an
affidavit. And, if they vote by absentee ballot, they need to get it
notarized. The legislation, he says, will make it "harder to vote at the
polls, harder to register, and harder to vote by absentee ballot,"
especially for people on reservations. "I don't know if you've ever been to
a reservation, but there aren't a lot of notaries around."

Among Native Americans in South Dakota, there is a widespread belief
that the legislation is aimed at them. "They decided, we got to do something
to slow down the Indian vote," says Alfred Bone Shirt, a plaintiff in one of
the five recent voting rights lawsuits the ACLU has filed in the state. "The
bottom line of it all is racism." Jesse Clausen, who has been active in many
voter registration drives, puts it another way. "In the summer of 2003, the
South Dakota State Senate passed new laws to keep Native American people
from voting," Clausen says. "Indian people living in poverty might have
higher priority on other things than spending $8 to get their driver's
license." Clausen points out that many people on the reservations don't have
cars.

During a special election held on June 1, the effect of the new law on
the Native American vote started to show. "People would go in and say,
'Well, I don't have an ID,' and [poll workers] would let it be known that if
they didn't have an ID, they should turn around and leave," says Clausen.

Poll workers weren't supposed to do that. According to the law, they
were supposed to give voters who lacked IDs an affidavit. Once signed, the
affidavit would allow people to vote. Jason Schulte, executive director of
the Democratic Party of South Dakota, says that, "mostly on or near
reservations," people who forgot to bring their IDs "were not told about the
affidavit scenario." Daschle himself says he "heard from countless voters
who experienced difficulty when attempting to vote."

"Indians were disproportionately affected by the ID requirement," says
Sells, adding that there were just more hurdles for Native Americans to
leap.

Is this intentional on the part of the Republicans? Sells doesn't
hesitate. "Yeah," he says. "In South Dakota, anyway. I don't for a minute
suggest that Republicans have the suppression market cornered, but that's
how it operates in South Dakota."

Additional efforts to suppress the vote are bound to happen in the
last week of the campaign and on Election Day itself. Then, it will be
almost impossible to remedy the situation.

Jim Gardner, communications director for the Missouri Democratic
Party, describes some of the tactics that he says have happened in his state
during past elections: "Videotaping people as they're coming into the
polling place. Parking near a polling place in a Crown Victoria with a
couple of guys in dark suits.... A whisper campaign that everyone trying to
vote who has outstanding traffic tickets will be arrested." Gardner, who
says the party had reports of such occurrences in 2000, says the Missouri
Democrats have also heard stories in past elections of people handing out
flyers in Democratic precincts that say, "Don't forget to vote on Wednesday,
November 4," when the election is Tuesday, November 3.

If groups start trying to suppress the vote a month out from the
election, says Greenbaum of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under
Law, "it gives people like us plenty of opportunity to react." Whereas, if
voter suppression happens just before or the day of the election, "it's
actually more likely to be effective." Greenbaum's organization faxed me a
series of signs that have appeared in Democratic precincts on or near
election day. One sign, which appeared in Baltimore in 2002, is entirely in
capital letters. "URGENT NOTICE," it reads. "COME OUT TO VOTE ON NOVEMBER
6th. BEFORE YOU COME TO VOTE MAKE SURE YOU PAY YOUR

- PARKING TICKETS

- MOTOR VEHICLE TICKETS

- OVERDUE RENT

AND MOST IMPORTANT

ANY WARRANTS"

A second sign, this one from 1996, uses a tiny font to inform
prospective voters that they may get into trouble when they walk into the
booth. "Thanks to advances in computer technology Voting Machines can now be
equipped with computers inside. The computers can be connected to a phone
line to Federal State, and Local government agencies to instantly check if a
voter is:




a.. A NON-CITIZEN


b.. Wanted on Criminal or Traffic Warrants or Parole or Probation
violations
c.. Is behind on child support payments
d.. Is cheating on Welfare, Food Stamps, AFDC, Section 8 or Medicaid
by earning money 'off the books'
e.. Has defaulted on government-backed student loans
f.. Has failed to file income taxes for two or more years."



In late August, People for the American Way and the NAACP released a
report entitled, "The Long Shadow of Jim Crow: Voter Intimidation and
Suppression in America Today." "In every national American election since
Reconstruction, every election since the Voting Rights Act passed in 1965,
voters-particularly African American voters and other minorities-have faced
calculated and determined efforts at intimidation and suppression," says the
report. However, it describes recent voter suppression tactics as "more
subtle, cynical, and creative" than "the poll taxes, literacy tests, and
physical violence of the Jim Crow era."

Jim Crow is still casting a very long shadow.

© 2004 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/19917/

--end quote

lots more to come

end corporate rule
Post by Uncle Samuel
--
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anon
2004-10-19 00:25:52 UTC
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Post by End Corporate Rule
"The only people we will bother are people who are in violation of the
law," says Dove. For instance, if he sees "a busload of Hispanic individuals
who didn't speak English and who voted," he plans to follow that bus to make
sure they aren't voting more than once.
<snip>

Oh, good - that's what we need. Volunteer brownshirts. Good thing Republicans
don't have a lock on the 2nd Amendment - something tells me we're going to need
it before too long.
End Corporate Rule
2004-10-19 01:04:31 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by End Corporate Rule
"The only people we will bother are people who are in violation of the
law," says Dove. For instance, if he sees "a busload of Hispanic individuals
who didn't speak English and who voted," he plans to follow that bus to make
sure they aren't voting more than once.
<snip>
Oh, good - that's what we need. Volunteer brownshirts. Good thing Republicans
don't have a lock on the 2nd Amendment - something tells me we're going to need
it before too long.
Der Freikorps is on the march here in America in the form of the Republican
Party, yes.

end corporate rule
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 05:27:29 UTC
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Post by End Corporate Rule
Der Freikorps
Godwin's Law.
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Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-19 14:53:18 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by End Corporate Rule
Der Freikorps
Godwin's Law.
Evasion and incompetence on Spammy's part.
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 16:01:11 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by End Corporate Rule
Der Freikorps
Godwin's Law.
Evasion
fact.
--
ÐÏࡱá
Jeffrey C. Dege
2004-10-19 23:42:07 UTC
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Post by End Corporate Rule
Der Freikorps is on the march here in America in the form of the Republican
Party, yes.
It hasn't been Republicans who've been rampaging through their opponent's
campaign headquarters.
--
Quidam ludunt, quidam bibunt,
quidam indiscrete vivunt,
sed in ludu qui morandur,
ex his quidam denudantur.
anon
2004-10-20 00:33:36 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey C. Dege
Post by End Corporate Rule
Der Freikorps is on the march here in America in the form of the Republican
Party, yes.
It hasn't been Republicans who've been rampaging through their opponent's
campaign headquarters.
That's happened to both parties, and you know it.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 05:27:28 UTC
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Post by anon
Volunteer brownshirts.
Godwin's Law.
--
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anon
2004-10-19 05:41:39 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Volunteer brownshirts.
Godwin's Law.
You got me there ;)
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-19 14:52:39 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Volunteer brownshirts.
Godwin's Law.
Still apt and valid. Spamuel's "Godwin's Law" evasion is merely
frequent admission of a failure to refute.
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 16:02:42 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Volunteer brownshirts.
Godwin's Law.
Still
For you - always.
--
ÐÏࡱá
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 05:28:57 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by End Corporate Rule
<start quote>
The Republican Party's racist views are now open for all to see
Your worst racists are *always* 'Rats.
Al Sharpton...
Shakedown Jesse Jackson...
LBJ....
etc...
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress
Tuesday to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should
more closely reflect the economic makeup of the nation.

The New York Democrat told reporters his goal is two-fold: to jolt
Americans into realizing the import of a possible unilateral strike
against Iraq, which he opposes, and "to make it clear that if there were
a war, there would be more equitable representation of people making
sacrifices."

"I truly believe that those who make the decision and those who support
the United States going into war would feel more readily the pain that's
involved, the sacrifice that's involved, if they thought that the
fighting force would include the affluent and those who historically
have avoided this great responsibility," Rangel said.



http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895261650/103-1319634-4477417?v=glance

Book Description
Jesse Jackson is a modern day highway robber who uses cries of racism to
steal from individuals, corporations, and government, to give to
himself, says veteran investigative reporter Kenneth R. Timmerman.
Until now, however, no one has been brave enough to say it and diligent
enough to prove it. But Ken Timmerman has cracked Jackson's machine,
found Jackson cronies willing to break ranks, and uncovered a sordid
tale of greed, ambition, and corruption from a self-proclaimed minister
who has no qualms about poisoning American race relations for personal
gain.

Shakedown reveals:

* Jackson's massive defrauding of the federal government - and how both
Republican and Democratic administrations have chosen to ignore it.

* Jackson's financial ties to Third World dictators - including Mohammar
Qaddafi of Libya.

* Jackson's shocking private life - and his even more shocking public
lies, including about his relationship with Dr. Martin Luther King

Other details must remain embargoed until publication, but one thing is
for certain, Shakedown finally bursts the carefully constructed myths
around Jesse Jackson and subject him to the critical scrutiny he's long
deserved.

Kenneth R. Timmerman, a reporter with more than two decades of
experience, has written for many magazines and newspapers including
Time, Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal, Reader's Digest, and The
American Spectator, and has appeared on Nightline, Sixty Minutes, and
many other television programs. He lives in Kensington, Maryland, with
his wife and five children.

http://www.jewishpost.com/jewishpost/jpn201g.html

For years, anti-Semitic and racist hate-mongering has been broadcast
shamelessly by all the major black radio stations. In the months before
the Harlem Massacre, the Reverend Al Sharpton and others broadcast a
series of rallies attacking non-black Harlem store owners in the vilest
of terms. The arson which killed 8 people at Freddy's clothing store on
December 9, truly proved that those broadcasts were inflammatory, and
those words, incendiary.
The Jewish Action Alliance has been taping these stations for years and
therefore was able quickly to provide tape copies of these broadcasts to
the police and press. The Jewish Post has had this tape professionally
transcribed. Unlike the New York Times, the New York Post, and the Daily
News, all of which printed just a few excerpts, all the relevant
material on the JAA tape -- which may put Al Sharpton out of business --
is printed below!
--
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anon
2004-10-19 05:41:13 UTC
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:28:57 -0500, Uncle Samuel wrote:

<snip>
Post by Uncle Samuel
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday
to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely
reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
<snip>

Perhaps you missed the *actual* plans by the SSS for a draft of medical and
other needed workers?

Think, man!

Why do small government conservatives cease distrusting government whenever
Republicans are in power?
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 05:50:17 UTC
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Post by anon
<snip>
Post by Uncle Samuel
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday
to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely
reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
<snip>
Perhaps you missed the *actual* plans by the SSS
Perhaps you have a CITE!
--
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anon
2004-10-19 06:47:53 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
<snip>
Post by Uncle Samuel
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday
to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely
reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
<snip>
Perhaps you missed the *actual* plans by the SSS
Perhaps you have a CITE!
Do your own research.It's been in the works for quite a while. If you have this
little idea of what's coming down the pike should W be re-elected, I wonder how
much you really care about the issues.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/03/13/MNG905K1BC1.DTL

In May, the Seattle Post Intelligencer published an article about a document
they received through the Freedom of Information Act. It was revealed that the
SSS is currently "designing procedures" for the implementation of a "Skills
Draft" after holding a top-level meeting on it with Deputy Undersecretaries at
the Defense Department. This draft would change the very mission of the
Selective Service and require "virtually every young American", male and
female ages 18-34, to register for the Skills Draft and list all the
occupations they are proficient in to fill labor shortages throughout nearly
the entire government.

Here, for the first time, is the FOI document itself:

http://blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

This document is real, having been acknowledged by the DoD and the SSS
when they said no action is being taken on it at the present time, as
reported:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html

Although Congress would have to approve new legislation to create a Skills
Draft or reinstate the combat draft, Family Circle reported in its July 13
issue that Karl Rove has polled GOP members of Congress in September 2002
to see if they would support the President if he requests reinstatement.
The Republicans said they would vote for the draft.

In addition, the SSS itself has said that it is "designing procedures"
(Seattle PI, May 1, 2004) to implement the skills draft, meaning designing
the compliance cards and the data fields needed to keep track of "virtually
every young American" and their skills. Acting Director of the SSS Brodsky
has also said the Skills Draft is the "top priority" of the Selective
Service for 2004. Bush's Hidden Draft Agenda options include:

* Allow a non-combat draft for shortages in critical skills, without
calling a combat draft.

* Fill labor shortages of all kinds throughout not only DoD but the Dept.
of Homeland Security and other agencies, especially high-paying
professionals like computer networking specialist or linguist.

* Create a single-point, all-inclusive database, in which every young
person would be forced to send in a "self-declaration" of all of their
critical skills, chosen from a long list of occupations like the Armed
Forces Specialty Code. The usual penalties of imprisonment and/or a
$250,000 fine would apply to all non-registrants.

In the secret planning meeting document, the next steps strongly recommended
by SSS Acting Director Brodsky were:

1. "Promptly" redefine the SSS Mission to draft men and women up to age
34 for skills, and deliver them within 90 days or sooner to the
Department of Defense. Program a massive database to be ready to enter
millions of names of those registering their critical skills.

2. Expand mission to deliver personnel in skills draft to the Department
of Homeland Security and other agencies, including FEMA, NSC, Border
Patrol, INS, Customs, Corporation for National Service, Public Health
Service and other agencies.

3. Form interagency task force to provide Administration with
recommendation on this skills draft for the entire government.

4. Obtain White House Statement of Administration Policy on the future of
the SSS.

5. Be prepared to market the skills draft, raising the non-combat age to
34 and the drafting of women to the Armed Services and Appropriations
Committee.

In contrast to this planning and preparation to create a targeted draft, Kerry
plans to spend an additional $7 billion to strengthen the Volunteer Army in
what is essentially a "No-Draft Plan". Moreover, Kerry is strongly opposed to
the neo-con plan revealed in Wes Clark's book Winning Modern Wars, in which
Clark was told by a senior Pentagon official that invasions of Syria, Lebanon,
Iran, Sudan and Somalia were planned and still to come over the next three
years.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 16:01:08 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
<snip>
Post by Uncle Samuel
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday
to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely
reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
<snip>
Perhaps you missed the *actual* plans by the SSS
Perhaps you have a CITE!
Do your own research.It's been in the works for quite a while. If you have this
little idea of what's coming down the pike should W be re-elected, I wonder how
much you really care about the issues.
http://seattlepi.
FUCK that Seattle leftist fear mongering bullshit!

Listen to what the President actually said:

http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675

President Bush Says No Draft


"No, we're not going -- we don't need the draft. Look, the all-volunteer
Army is working. The all-volunteer Army... I know Senator McCain and I
agree on this issue for certain, the all-volunteer Army works."

~ President George W. Bush, August 10, 2004

President Bush is committed to keeping participation in the United
States Armed Services voluntary. The President’s cabinet has stated
that a draft is not being considered. Recruitment and retention rates
remain strong, and the military has not had any problem maintaining a
strong force. President Bush is confident in the current state of the
military and has assured that Nation that the all-volunteer military
force is working well.

President Bush's Administration has Remained Consistent on the Draft

Vice President Cheney says all volunteer force "works extraordinarily well."
"I don't foresee a situation in which we'd want to go back to the draft.
We made a decision after Vietnam to go with an all-volunteer force...
The all-volunteer force has produced an absolutely remarkable group of
men and women in the service. And I think it works. It works
extraordinarily well. And I'm a great believer in it... I suppose, at
some point down the road we'd have such a national crisis or emergency,
but it would have to be on the scale of World War II before I would
think that anybody would seriously contemplate the possibility of going
back again to the draft. I think what we have works very well." (Vice
President Cheney, Oregon City, OR, September, 17, 2004)

Secretary Rumsfeld calls suggestion of Bush initiated draft "nonsense."
When asked if by the Armed Services Committee about initiating the
draft, Secretary Rumsfeld replied, "That is absolute nonsense... It's
absolutely false that anyone in this administration is considering
reinstituting the draft." (Donald Rumsfeld, Senate Armed Services
Committee, September 23, 2004)

John Kerry is using the draft to scare young voters and veterans.
During campaign stops, John Kerry has worked to scare voters by
suggesting that President Bush will initiate a draft. "If George Bush
were to be re-elected, given the way he has gone about this war and
given his avoidance of responsibility in North Korea and Iran and other
places, is [a draft] possible? I can't tell you." (John Kerry,
September 22, 2004)
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Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-19 16:28:29 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
<snip>
Post by Uncle Samuel
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday
to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely
reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
<snip>
Perhaps you missed the *actual* plans by the SSS
Perhaps you have a CITE!
Do your own research.It's been in the works for quite a while. If you have this
little idea of what's coming down the pike should W be re-elected, I wonder how
much you really care about the issues.
http://seattlepi.
FUCK that Seattle leftist fear mongering bullshit!
http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675
yeah, that's sooo independent and unbiased!!

Hahaha, you're fucking stupid as fuck, Spammy.


You should have paid attention in high school.
--
Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 22:11:46 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
<snip>
Post by Uncle Samuel
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday
to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely
reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
<snip>
Perhaps you missed the *actual* plans by the SSS
Perhaps you have a CITE!
Do your own research.It's been in the works for quite a while. If you have this
little idea of what's coming down the pike should W be re-elected, I wonder how
much you really care about the issues.
http://seattlepi.
FUCK that Seattle leftist fear mongering bullshit!
http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675
yeah, that's sooo independent and unbiased!!
Monday, September 27, 2004
President Bush Says No Draft


"No, we're not going -- we don't need the draft. Look, the all-volunteer
Army is working. The all-volunteer Army... I know Senator McCain and I
agree on this issue for certain, the all-volunteer Army works."

~ President George W. Bush, August 10, 2004

President Bush is committed to keeping participation in the United
States Armed Services voluntary. The President’s cabinet has stated
that a draft is not being considered. Recruitment and retention rates
remain strong, and the military has not had any problem maintaining a
strong force. President Bush is confident in the current state of the
military and has assured that Nation that the all-volunteer military
force is working well.

President Bush's Administration has Remained Consistent on the Draft

Vice President Cheney says all volunteer force "works extraordinarily well."
"I don't foresee a situation in which we'd want to go back to the draft.
We made a decision after Vietnam to go with an all-volunteer force...
The all-volunteer force has produced an absolutely remarkable group of
men and women in the service. And I think it works. It works
extraordinarily well. And I'm a great believer in it... I suppose, at
some point down the road we'd have such a national crisis or emergency,
but it would have to be on the scale of World War II before I would
think that anybody would seriously contemplate the possibility of going
back again to the draft. I think what we have works very well." (Vice
President Cheney, Oregon City, OR, September, 17, 2004)

Secretary Rumsfeld calls suggestion of Bush initiated draft "nonsense."
When asked if by the Armed Services Committee about initiating the
draft, Secretary Rumsfeld replied, "That is absolute nonsense... It's
absolutely false that anyone in this administration is considering
reinstituting the draft." (Donald Rumsfeld, Senate Armed Services
Committee, September 23, 2004)

John Kerry is using the draft to scare young voters and veterans.
During campaign stops, John Kerry has worked to scare voters by
suggesting that President Bush will initiate a draft. "If George Bush
were to be re-elected, given the way he has gone about this war and
given his avoidance of responsibility in North Korea and Iran and other
places, is [a draft] possible? I can't tell you." (John Kerry,
September 22, 2004)
anon
2004-10-19 17:22:41 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
FUCK that Seattle leftist fear mongering bullshit!
http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675
Faced with multiply-sourced information about planning for a special skills
draft, you counter with something the President said.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but you're one of those people that believe
that the earth is 6,000 years old, aren't you? One of those people that
believes that the Bible is true and literal fact because you read it in the
Bible, right?
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 22:13:20 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
FUCK that Seattle leftist fear mongering bullshit!
http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675
Faced with multiply-sourced information about planning for a special skills
draft, you counter with something the President said.
The question was asked - he answered it.

He did so publicly.

He put it on his web site.

Nuff said.

you do know who *did* try and reanimate the draft don't you?

Here, let me help you refresh your memory:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress
Tuesday to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should
more closely reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
--
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anon
2004-10-19 22:31:50 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
FUCK that Seattle leftist fear mongering bullshit!
http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675
Faced with multiply-sourced information about planning for a special skills
draft, you counter with something the President said.
The question was asked - he answered it.
He did so publicly.
He put it on his web site.
Nuff said.
you do know who *did* try and reanimate the draft don't you?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday
to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely
reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
I'm done. I don't argue with people that can't read, but place blind trust in
government. They're obviously irrational.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 22:47:47 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
FUCK that Seattle leftist fear mongering bullshit!
http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675
Faced with multiply-sourced information about planning for a special skills
draft, you counter with something the President said.
The question was asked - he answered it.
He did so publicly.
He put it on his web site.
Nuff said.
you do know who *did* try and reanimate the draft don't you?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday
to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely
reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
I'm done. I don't argue with people that can't read,
You seem to have your own reading comprehension issues....
Post by anon
but place blind trust in government. They're obviously irrational.
Oh, it's "irrational" to take the President at his word, his *printed* word?

Odd way of measuring "rational" you have...

http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675

Monday, September 27, 2004
President Bush Says No Draft


"No, we're not going -- we don't need the draft. Look, the all-volunteer
Army is working. The all-volunteer Army... I know Senator McCain and I
agree on this issue for certain, the all-volunteer Army works."

~ President George W. Bush, August 10, 2004

President Bush is committed to keeping participation in the United
States Armed Services voluntary. The President’s cabinet has stated
that a draft is not being considered. Recruitment and retention rates
remain strong, and the military has not had any problem maintaining a
strong force. President Bush is confident in the current state of the
military and has assured that Nation that the all-volunteer military
force is working well
--
ÐÏࡱá
anon
2004-10-19 22:56:51 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Oh, it's "irrational" to take the President at his word, his *printed* word?
This President, yes. He's a liar. He lied about the rationale for tax cuts, he
lied about 9/11, he lied about Iraq, he lied about Medicare, he lied about the
environment, he lied about so many things I can't even keep track.

I will not lie, cheat or steal nor tolerate those who do, or in the words of
your hero, "Make no mistake. ... Fool me once, shame on you, fool me
twice, shame on, shame on, shame on, um.. can't be fooled again.".

You want to get lied to? Fine, just don't drag me into it.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-19 23:11:26 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Oh, it's "irrational" to take the President at his word, his *printed* word?
This President, yes. He's a liar.
Drop dead you scumball, he answered the question, printed it on his
website, game over.
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Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-19 23:33:35 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Oh, it's "irrational" to take the President at his word, his
*printed* word?
This President, yes. He's a liar.
Drop dead you scumball, he answered the question, printed it on his
website, game over.
And he is a proven liar and an incompetent.

Damn right that no one should believe his lies again!

Impeach Bush!

http://www.bushrecall.org
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Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 04:19:08 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Oh, it's "irrational" to take the President at his word, his *printed* word?
This President, yes. He's a liar.
Drop dead you scumball, he answered the question, printed it on his
website, game over.
And he is
RIGHT!

While in command of Swift Boat 44, Kerry and crew operated without
prudence in a Free Fire Zone, carelessly firing at targets of
opportunity racking up a number of enemy kills and some civilians. His
body count included-- a woman, her baby, a 12 year-old boy, an elderly
man and several South Vietnamese soldiers.

"It is one of those terrible things, and I'll never forget, ever, the
sight of that child," Kerry later said about the dead baby. "But there
was nothing that anybody could have done about it.
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anon
2004-10-20 04:45:03 UTC
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While in command of Swift Boat 44, Kerry and crew operated without prudence in
a Free Fire Zone, carelessly firing at targets of opportunity racking up a
number of enemy kills and some civilians. His body count included-- a woman,
her baby, a 12 year-old boy, an elderly man and several South Vietnamese
soldiers.
"It is one of those terrible things, and I'll never forget, ever, the sight of
that child," Kerry later said about the dead baby. "But there was nothing that
anybody could have done about it.
Oddly enough, that was official DoD policy at the time, which was one of the
things Kerry pointed out when he got back.

It's a pretty common consensus at this point that Vietnam was a bad idea. It's
even pretty generally accepted that attempting to force an unwanted regime on
an unruly populace that's accustomed to fighting back is asking for trouble.
There's courses on how not to do this sort of thing taught at the Army War
College.

You think we'd learn, right? Of course, with a deserter in charge, what else do
you expect?
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 04:55:25 UTC
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Post by anon
While in command of Swift Boat 44, Kerry and crew operated without prudence in
a Free Fire Zone, carelessly firing at targets of opportunity racking up a
number of enemy kills and some civilians. His body count included-- a woman,
her baby, a 12 year-old boy, an elderly man and several South Vietnamese
soldiers.
"It is one of those terrible things, and I'll never forget, ever, the sight of
that child," Kerry later said about the dead baby. "But there was nothing that
anybody could have done about it.
Oddly enough, that was official DoD policy at the time,
Is that why Lt. Calley got court martialed?

You're a lying scrotum sucking sack of SHIT!

FUCK YOU!
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anon
2004-10-20 05:09:56 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Is that why Lt. Calley got court martialed?
You're a lying scrotum sucking sack of SHIT!
FUCK YOU!
Christ, man, read some history. I'm not going to do it for you.

Learn how to think. Learn how to read. It'll help. You can start with the
offical court documents from Calley's Court Martial, then move on to the
Dellums Committee Hearings.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:17:56 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Is that why Lt. Calley got court martialed?
You're a lying scrotum sucking sack of SHIT!
FUCK YOU!
Christ, man, read some history.
Drop dead you genocidal loving DemoCrap!

"I shot in free fire zones, used harassment and interdiction fire,
joined in search and destroy missions, and burned villages"
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Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-20 05:52:51 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Is that why Lt. Calley got court martialed?
You're a lying scrotum sucking sack of SHIT!
FUCK YOU!
Christ, man, read some history.
Drop dead you genocidal loving DemoCrap!
"I shot in free fire zones, used harassment and interdiction fire,
joined in search and destroy missions, and burned villages"
Repetition does not make truth. Repetition just shows you to be
obstinate and stupid.
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Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
anon
2004-10-20 00:36:34 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Oh, it's "irrational" to take the President at his word, his *printed* word?
This President, yes. He's a liar.
Drop dead you scumball, he answered the question, printed it on his website,
game over.
Just 'cause someone says something doesn't make it true. The people responsible
for actually administering the draft say otherwise. Seeing as how the President
is totally disconnected from reality, I trust the folks that are actually doing
the work to make it happen. You, apparently, trust someone that's gotten
several thousand military personell wounded and killed, and ruined our
readyness state. I choose to think that person has exhibited bad judgement.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 04:20:44 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Oh, it's "irrational" to take the President at his word, his *printed* word?
This President, yes. He's a liar.
Drop dead you scumball, he answered the question, printed it on his website,
game over.
Just 'cause someone says something doesn't make it true.
You fear mongering LYING DemoCrap!

It was YOU people who tried to reinstate the draft!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress
Tuesday to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should
more closely reflect the economic makeup of the nation.

The New York Democrat told reporters his goal is two-fold: to jolt
Americans into realizing the import of a possible unilateral strike
against Iraq, which he opposes, and "to make it clear that if there were
a war, there would be more equitable representation of people making
sacrifices."



Oh and guess what?

Rangel voted *against* his own hypocrisy!

LOL!

You lose - again and again and again!

You damned LIARS!
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anon
2004-10-20 04:46:30 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
You fear mongering LYING DemoCrap!
It was YOU people who tried to reinstate the draft!
Go tell the folks at the Selective Service.
Post by Uncle Samuel
You lose - again and again and again!
You damned LIARS!
Go tell the folks at the Selective Service. They're getting ready. Ask them, I
dare you. Do your own research, instead of swallowing everything the
administration feeds you.

Don't be a sheeple.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:09:29 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
You fear mongering LYING DemoCrap!
It was YOU people who tried to reinstate the draft!
Go tell the folks at the Selective Service.
Ok.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress
Tuesday to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should
more closely reflect the economic makeup of the nation.

The New York Democrat told reporters his goal is two-fold: to jolt
Americans into realizing the import of a possible unilateral strike
against Iraq, which he opposes, and "to make it clear that if there were
a war, there would be more equitable representation of people making
sacrifices."
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
You lose - again and again and again!
You damned LIARS!
Go tell the folks at the Selective Service.
http://www.gopusa.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.pl?act=ST;f=1;t=15407

U.S. Rep. Pete Stark on Wednesday defended his vote -- on the losing
side of a 402-2 House roll call -- for reinstating a military draft, a
bill even its author no longer supported.
Stark, D-Fremont, was among the bill's original co-sponsors and said
Wednesday he's just being consistent: "I couldn't figure out, if I
thought it was good last January, why it would have been bad yesterday."

The bill, authored by Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., would have applied to
men and women ages 18 to 26; exemptions would have been granted to let
people graduate from high school, but college students would have had to
serve. Anyone not qualified for military service because of impairments
would have been asked to perform community service.

The bill and its Senate equivalent by Fritz Hollings, D-S.C., were
introduced in January 2003 and went nowhere until recently, when
Internet rumors circulated that the Bush administration was secretly
maneuvering toward a draft.

GOP leaders said they called the vote Tuesday to quash those rumors -- a
rare instance of bringing forth a bill solely to kill it, even as its
own author opposed it. Rangel said he'd introduced the bill before the
Iraq war to encourage people to think twice about President Bush's
foreign policy; bringing it to a vote was just a Republican
election-year tactic, he said.


YOU LOSE AGAIN!!!!!!
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Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-20 05:49:56 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
You fear mongering LYING DemoCrap!
It was YOU people who tried to reinstate the draft!
Nope.
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Go tell the folks at the Selective Service.
Selective Service is enabling an action plan for a skills draft. That's the
October surprise. You just won't hear about it until January. Bush
lies, you know.
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Go tell the folks at the Selective Service.
http://www.gopusa.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.pl?act=ST;f=1;t=15407
Yeah, GOP self-referential partisan lie machine as quote source.

See: disingenuous.
Post by Uncle Samuel
YOU LOSE AGAIN!!!!!!
It seems that you are again the worthless and moronic loser, Spamuel.
Go crawl under a rock until 2008 when a viable Republican candidate may
emerge. Not this year. This year belongs to thinkers and smart people,
of which you and Bush are not two.
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Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:50:57 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
It seems that you are again the worthless and moronic loser,
EAT THE FACTS ASSHOLE!

U.S. Rep. Pete Stark on Wednesday defended his vote -- on the losing
side of a 402-2 House roll call -- for reinstating a military draft, a
bill even its author no longer supported.
Stark, D-Fremont, was among the bill's original co-sponsors and said
Wednesday he's just being consistent: "I couldn't figure out, if I
thought it was good last January, why it would have been bad yesterday."

The bill, authored by Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., would have applied to
men and women ages 18 to 26; exemptions would have been granted to let
people graduate from high school, but college students would have had to
serve. Anyone not qualified for military service because of impairments
would have been asked to perform community service.

The bill and its Senate equivalent by Fritz Hollings, D-S.C., were
introduced in January 2003 and went nowhere until recently, when
Internet rumors circulated that the Bush administration was secretly
maneuvering toward a draft.

GOP leaders said they called the vote Tuesday to quash those rumors -- a
rare instance of bringing forth a bill solely to kill it, even as its
own author opposed it. Rangel said he'd introduced the bill before the
Iraq war to encourage people to think twice about President Bush's
foreign policy; bringing it to a vote was just a Republican
election-year tactic, he said.
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Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 04:19:07 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
FUCK that Seattle leftist fear mongering bullshit!
http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675
Faced with multiply-sourced information about planning for a special skills
draft, you counter with something the President said.
The question was asked - he answered it.
He did so publicly.
He put it on his web site.
Nuff said.
you do know who *did* try and reanimate the draft don't you?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday
to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely
reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
I'm done. I don't argue with people that can't read,
You seem to have your own reading comprehension issues....
Post by anon
but place blind trust in government. They're obviously irrational.
Oh, it's "irrational" to take the President at his word, his *printed* word?
Odd way of measuring "rational" you have...
http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675
Invented
Monday, September 27, 2004
President Bush Says No Draft


"No, we're not going -- we don't need the draft. Look, the all-volunteer
Army is working. The all-volunteer Army... I know Senator McCain and I
agree on this issue for certain, the all-volunteer Army works."

~ President George W. Bush, August 10, 2004

President Bush is committed to keeping participation in the United
States Armed Services voluntary. The President’s cabinet has stated
that a draft is not being considered. Recruitment and retention rates
remain strong, and the military has not had any problem maintaining a
strong force. President Bush is confident in the current state of the
military and has assured that Nation that the all-volunteer military
force is working well.

President Bush's Administration has Remained Consistent on the Draft

Vice President Cheney says all volunteer force "works extraordinarily well."
"I don't foresee a situation in which we'd want to go back to the draft.
We made a decision after Vietnam to go with an all-volunteer force...
The all-volunteer force has produced an absolutely remarkable group of
men and women in the service. And I think it works. It works
extraordinarily well. And I'm a great believer in it... I suppose, at
some point down the road we'd have such a national crisis or emergency,
but it would have to be on the scale of World War II before I would
think that anybody would seriously contemplate the possibility of going
back again to the draft. I think what we have works very well." (Vice
President Cheney, Oregon City, OR, September, 17, 2004)

Secretary Rumsfeld calls suggestion of Bush initiated draft "nonsense."
When asked if by the Armed Services Committee about initiating the
draft, Secretary Rumsfeld replied, "That is absolute nonsense... It's
absolutely false that anyone in this administration is considering
reinstituting the draft." (Donald Rumsfeld, Senate Armed Services
Committee, September 23, 2004)

John Kerry is using the draft to scare young voters and veterans.
During campaign stops, John Kerry has worked to scare voters by
suggesting that President Bush will initiate a draft. "If George Bush
were to be re-elected, given the way he has gone about this war and
given his avoidance of responsibility in North Korea and Iran and other
places, is [a draft] possible? I can't tell you." (John Kerry,
September 22, 2004)
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anon
2004-10-20 04:49:26 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Monday, September 27, 2004
President Bush Says No Draft
You keep using President Bush as an authority on whether President Bush is
lying. I hope you can see why that's not believable.

When I was young, the DoD did a study to find out whether the DoD was
responsible for the high rate of cancer in the citizens of Southern Utah, where
my family is from. What do you think they found? What do you think I learned
from that?

Do your own research. The government is going to lie to you when it serves
it's best interests. In this case, Bush's interest is getting elected. Why is
it that you find it so hard to understand that it's possible that he's not
telling you the truth?
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:10:11 UTC
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Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Monday, September 27, 2004
President Bush Says No Draft
You keep using President Bush as an authority
You keep denying the FACTS!!!!!


http://www.gopusa.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.pl?act=ST;f=1;t=15407


U.S. Rep. Pete Stark on Wednesday defended his vote -- on the losing
side of a 402-2 House roll call -- for reinstating a military draft, a
bill even its author no longer supported.
Stark, D-Fremont, was among the bill's original co-sponsors and said
Wednesday he's just being consistent: "I couldn't figure out, if I
thought it was good last January, why it would have been bad yesterday."

The bill, authored by Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., would have applied to
men and women ages 18 to 26; exemptions would have been granted to let
people graduate from high school, but college students would have had to
serve. Anyone not qualified for military service because of impairments
would have been asked to perform community service.

The bill and its Senate equivalent by Fritz Hollings, D-S.C., were
introduced in January 2003 and went nowhere until recently, when
Internet rumors circulated that the Bush administration was secretly
maneuvering toward a draft.

GOP leaders said they called the vote Tuesday to quash those rumors -- a
rare instance of bringing forth a bill solely to kill it, even as its
own author opposed it. Rangel said he'd introduced the bill before the
Iraq war to encourage people to think twice about President Bush's
foreign policy; bringing it to a vote was just a Republican
election-year tactic, he said.
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Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-20 05:51:18 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
Monday, September 27, 2004
President Bush Says No Draft
You keep using President Bush as an authority
You keep denying the FACTS!!!!!
http://www.gopusa.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.pl?act=ST;f=1;t=15407
The GOP isn't in the business of facts.

They are a lie manufacturing and distribution machine, in addition to a
stupidity tax collection agent and distillery of evil.
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Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:54:47 UTC
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Orwellian Prophecy wrote:



Did I forget to reminf you I will out-post you 4-1?

Get ready for ignomny, I will decimate you troll!


Iraq War

"Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early
use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On
January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted
that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a
resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war."
letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre,
Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991]

And at the same time, he wrote this:

"Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the
actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.
From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally
supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals
he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf."
Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]

Did you know?? As Michael Dukakis' lieutenant governor, Kerry authored
an executive order that said the state of Massachusetts would refuse to
take part in any civil defense efforts in response to a nuclear attack
on America.


Nov 12, 1997: In response to a question about unanimity over a U.N.
resolution, kerry responded: where's the backbone of Russia, where's
the backbone of France, where are they in expressing their condemnation
of such clearly illegal activity, but in a sense, they're now climbing
into a box and they will have enormous difficulty not following up on
this if there is not compliance by Iraq....It was disappointing a month
ago not to have the French and the Russians understanding that they
shouldn't give any signals of weakening on the sanctions and I think
those signals would have helped bring about this crisis because they
permitted Saddam Hussein to interpret that maybe the moment was right
for him to make this challenge. crossfire

Feb 23, 1998: "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has
made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of
his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the
stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the
potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even
to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." The Disgrace of
John Kerry by Kevin Willmann Saturday, April 05, 2003

Oct 9, 1998: "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and
consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary
actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect
Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's
refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to
President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry,
and others.

Oct 10, 1998: "We know from our largely unsuccessful attempts to enlist
the cooperation of other nations, especially industrialized trading
nations, in efforts to impose and enforce somewhat more ambitious
standards on nations such as Iran, China, Burma and Syria, that the
willingness of most other nations — including a number who are joined in
the sanctions to isolate Iraq — is neither wide nor deep to join in
imposing sanctions on a sovereign nation to spur it to `clean up its
act' and comport its actions with accepted international norms." Senate
Floor Speech Try to figure out what he just said there!

Sep 6, 2002: "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the
international community's already existing order, then he will have
invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of
the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails
to act." Op-Ed, "We Still Have A Choice On Iraq," The New York Times

Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United
States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam
Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Senate Speech

Oct 9, 2002: "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us
since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know
after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he
has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years
to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval,
to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of
proliferation."

Oct 9, 2002: The Iraqi regime's record over the decade leaves little
doubt that Saddam Hussein wants to retain his arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction and to expand it to include nuclear weapons. We cannot allow
him to prevail in that quest. johnkerry.com speeches (Thanks Scot!)

Oct 9, 2002: "Regime change has been an American policy under the
Clinton administration, and it is the current policy. I support the
policy. But regime change in and of itself is not sufficient
justification for going to war--particularly unilaterally--unless regime
change is the only way to disarm Iraq of the weapons of mass destruction
pursuant to the United Nations resolution." Speech on senate floor
(Thanks Aaron)

Jan 23, 2003: "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He
is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He
presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently
prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's
response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of
mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of
mass destruction is real..."

Sep 14, 2003: “I don’t think anyone in the Congress is going to not
give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able
to defend themselves. We’re not going to cut and run and not do the
job.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,”) (watch)

Sep 14, 2003: “I don’t think any United States senator is going to
abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to – to whatever follows as
a result of simply cutting and running. That’s irresponsible. What is
responsible is for the administration to do this properly now.” (CBS’
“Face The Nation,”) (watch)

Dec 2, 2003: Did I expect George Bush to fuck it up as badly as he did?
I don't think anybody did. Now that's what I call presidential!
www.johnkerry.com

Dec 15, 2003: "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is
critical to the outcome of the war on terror, and therefore any advance
in Iraq is an advance forward in that..."

Jan 30, 2004: "I think there has been an exaggeration," Mr. Kerry said
when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of
terrorism. "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way."
washtims (Thanks Michael!)

Mar 16, 2004: "I actually did vote for his $87 billion, before I voted
against it." Newsmax (Listen) (Listen)

Mar 17, 2004: "For a President, the decision may be lonely, but that
does not mean that America should go it alone." (Remarks At George
Washington University, Washington, DC)

Apr 7, 2004: When speaking of terrorist Shiite imam Muqtada al-Sadr's
newspaper, which was shut down by coalition forces last week after it
urged violence against U.S. troops, Kerry complained to National Public
Radio, "They shut a newspaper that belongs to a legitimate voice in
Iraq." Then, finding another way to parallel what Ted Kennedy was saying
this week: "If all we do is make war against the Iraqi people and
continue an American occupation, fundamentally, without a clarity as to
who and how sovereignty is being turned over, we have a very serious
problem for the long run here" newsmax Well, it's clear that the Iman
enjoys the support of JFK and Ted Kennedy:

http://www.kerryquotes.com/
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Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:57:03 UTC
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Orwellian Prophecy wrote:



Civil Rights

Nov 5, 2003: "I have always fought for the right of people to be able
to be treated equally in America. Long before there was a television
show or a march in Washington. In 1985, I was the sole sponsor of the
Civil Rights Act to make sure we enforced that in America. I am for
partnership rights. I am for civil union. I am for the Employment
Non-Discrimination Act. I am for the hate crimes legislation"
Democratic Debate

Jan 25, 2004: "Our country is defined by the rights we protect, and
those of us who fought for freedom and put our lives on the line
defended the right of people to do things that we disagree with. I would
not be pleased to see someone burning the flag because I love the flag,
but the Constitution that I fought for preserves the right of free
expression." Associated Press policy Q&A (top)

Crime

Jan 25, 2004: "I oppose the death penalty other than in cases of real
international and domestic terrorism." Associated Press policy Q&A,
"Death Penalty" Jan 25, 2004 (top)

Cuba

Mar 14, 2004: "I'm pretty tough on Castro, because I think he's running
one of the last vestiges of a Stalinist secret police government in the
world." "And I voted for the Helms-Burton legislation to be tough on
companies that deal with him." Umm OOPSIE He voted AGAINST this
legislation. You think maybe Cuba is one of JFK's Supporters????
Caught in yet another little fib while pandering for votes.... newsmax

Economy

Dec 3, 2002: "And to encourage investments in the jobs of the future -
I think we should eliminate the tax on capital gains for investments in
critical technology companies - zero capital gains on $100 million
issuance of stock if it's held for five years and has created real jobs
-- and we should attempt to end the double taxation of dividends." City
Club of Cleveland Speech

Oct 27, 2003: "I'm going to do what Clinton did. I'm going to cut the
deficit in half in the first four years. Clinton's plan was to balance
the budget in 10 years, not the five Governor Dean says. The reason we
decided not to do it in five was because it required extraordinary cuts
in the things we just talked about doing investing in the city of
Detroit, investing in our schools, investing in health care, making our
economy move." Democratic Presidential 2004 Primary Debate in Detroit

Jan 11, 2004: Do you agree that the economy is recovering? "It's a
recovery for the people in the corporate boardroom. It's a recovery for
corporations, to some degree, by compacting, by increasing productivity.
But if you go across America, it's not a recovery This recovery is a
recovery for those people who have stock. It's a recovery for those
people who are able to walk away with the highest salaries. But workers
have only seen a three-cents-an-hour increase in their wages." Iowa
Brown and Black Presidential Forum (top)

Apr 7, 2004: “I have showed exactly where my money comes from, I have
showed exactly how much it has cost and I have promised to pay as you go
and to lower the deficit in half in four years.” Kerry proposes $1.9
trillion in new spending over the next ten years, but his proposal to
raise income taxes for the top bracket, bring back the death tax, and
close “corporate loopholes” would only raise $658 billion, leaving a
$1.25 trillion gap. (FoxNews’ “Your World With Neil Cavuto”)

Aug 25, 2004: "The truth, which is what elections are all about, is
that the tax burden of the middle class has gone up while the tax burden
of the middle class has gone down," Newsmax

http://www.kerryquotes.com/
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Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:56:19 UTC
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Interview Shows Kerry Threw Medals During Anti-War Protests
By Jimmy Moore
Talon News
April 27, 2004

WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- Likely Democratic presidential nominee John
F. Kerry's claim that he has never discarded medals that he earned after
returning from the Vietnam War was refuted by a televised interview with
the Massachusetts senator from November 1971 which was released to the
public by ABC News on Monday.

Kerry has been asked on the presidential campaign trail whether, during
a Vietnam Veterans Against The War protest he led on April 23, 1971 at
the Capitol, he threw his own military medals over the fence. Kerry has
stated repeatedly that he never discarded his own medals.

"I'm proud of my medals. I always was proud of them," Kerry expressed to
ABC's Peter Jennings in December 2003, admitting that he threw away
ribbons and medals from other anti-war veterans who were unable to be at
the protest, but not his own medals.

He even told Jennings at the time that the stories about him throwing
his medals were simply a "myth" designed by the Republican Party to
taint his war record.

However, in a November 6, 1971 interview on a show called "Viewpoints"
on WRC-TV in Washington, DC, Kerry is recorded as saying he returned up
to nine of the medals he had earned for his service as a Navy lieutenant
in Vietnam.

"I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine medals," Kerry
said in the interview released by ABC News.

He added in the interview that the veterans who participated in the
anti-war demonstrations "decided to give them back to their country"
during the protest rally.

When he was asked in the 1971 interview about the Bronze Star, Silver
Star, and three Purple Hearts, Kerry explained that he had returned them
as well.

"Well, and above that, [I] gave back the others," he explained.

This is a direct contradiction to what Kerry told the Los Angeles Times
on Friday when he exclaims that he "never ever implied that" he returned
his medals to protest the war.

Responding to this as a "phony controversy," Kerry appeared on ABC's
"Good Morning America" on Monday and stated that he actually threw away
his ribbons, not his medals during the anti-war protests.

"We threw away the symbols of what our country gave us for what we had
gone through," he remarked, claiming the medals he may have thrown over
the wall on Capitol Hill were not his.

But when "Good Morning America" host Charlie Gibson confronted Kerry
that he had been an eyewitness to Kerry throwing the medals over the
fence, an angry Kerry quickly interrupted him by interjecting, "You are
wrong. That's not what happened. I threw my ribbons."

Kerry continued by stating the medals he hurled were ones given to him
by other veterans who had asked him to discard for them.

In the 1971 interview, Kerry never once implied that the medals and
ribbons he threw belonged to other veterans.

Boston Globe correspondent Thomas Oliphant, whose daughter recently
joined the Kerry campaign, shared his personal recollection of what
happened during the anti-war protests conducted by Kerry.

"I was 4 or 5 feet behind John Kerry," Oliphant recalled. "I watched
Kerry reach with his right hand into the breast pocket of his fatigue
shirt. The hand emerged with several of the ribbons."

Offering his opinion about this ordeal over the medals, Oliphant writes
that Kerry's opponents are "undignified" and "largely inaccurate."

"I write now because the political junk is much higher profile now,
though no less misleading," he maintains.

Accusing the Republican Party of dirty tricks by dredging up the video
footage from more than three decades ago, Kerry said this story has no
merit because it was a contentious time in the history of the United States.

But newspaper accounts of the protest acknowledge the medal and ribbon
ceremony by the anti-war veterans took place and Kerry was identified as
one of the leaders.

"In a real sense, this [Nixon] administration forced us to return our
medals because beyond the perversion of the war, these leaders
themselves denied us the integrity those symbols supposedly gave our
lives," Kerry told the Boston Globe the day after the protest.

But in a bizarre twist, Kerry said he still had the medals when he first
ran for the U.S. Senate seat in Massachusetts in 1984 so he could woo
union officials who feared his candidacy would fail because of his
staunch anti-war stance.

Then, in 1988, he told the National Journal that he only threw out his
ribbons despite the fact that he was "proud" to serve his country.

However, in 1996, Kerry revealed to The Boston Globe that since he
"didn't have time to go home and get" his medals, that should prove the
medals he threw were not his.

The Kerry campaign web site accuses the Republican Party of "smearing"
Kerry since leading the anti-war protest rally in 1971.

In a section on the Kerry web site entitled "RIGHTWING FICTION: John
Kerry threw away his medals during a Vietnam war protest," the Kerry
campaign still opines that the medals were not his.

"John Kerry threw his ribbons and the medals of two veterans who could
not attend the event, and said, 'I am not doing this for any violent
reasons, but for peace and justice, and to try to make this country wake
up once and for all,'" the Kerry campaign web site reads.

Nevertheless, Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie said
this is a relevant topic because it shows a pattern of deception that
still exists in Kerry today.

"The problem is not what John Kerry did or didn't do 30 years ago, it's
what he's saying today, which once again turns out to be wrong,"
Gillespie said in a statement.

At the end of the interview on "Good Morning America," Kerry was
unknowingly recorded complaining about the interview with Gibson.

"Geez," Kerry exclaimed. "They're working for the Republican National
Committee."

Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-19 23:25:26 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
FUCK that Seattle leftist fear mongering bullshit!
http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675
Faced with multiply-sourced information about planning for a special skills
draft, you counter with something the President said.
The question was asked - he answered it.
He did so publicly.
He put it on his web site.
Nuff said.
you do know who *did* try and reanimate the draft don't you?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress
Tuesday to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should
more closely reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
Why don't you smear Rangel for being black while you're at it, Spammy?
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Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 04:20:36 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
FUCK that Seattle leftist fear mongering bullshit!
http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675
Faced with multiply-sourced information about planning for a special skills
draft, you counter with something the President said.
The question was asked - he answered it.
He did so publicly.
He put it on his web site.
Nuff said.
you do know who *did* try and reanimate the draft don't you?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress
Tuesday to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should
more closely reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
Why don't you smear Rangel for being black
Oh...like he smeared "white folk" for not being as numerous as he wanted
in the military?

Your worst racists are *always * DemoCraps!
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abuse
2004-10-20 04:05:17 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday
to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely
reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
<snip>
Perhaps you missed the *actual* plans by the SSS
Perhaps you have a CITE!
Do your own research.It's been in the works for quite a while. If you have this
little idea of what's coming down the pike should W be re-elected, I wonder how
much you really care about the issues.
http://seattlepi.
FUCK that Seattle leftist fear mongering bullshit!
http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675
President Bush Says No Draft
"No, we're not going -- we don't need the draft. Look, the all-volunteer
Army is working. The all-volunteer Army... I know Senator McCain and I
agree on this issue for certain, the all-volunteer Army works."
~ President George W. Bush, August 10, 2004
Maybe he could tell them that over at Selective Service

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/19/politics/19draft.html?ex=1098849600&en=eec635035d76fcb0&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1

U.S. Has Contingency Plans for a Draft of Medical Workers
By ROBERT PEAR

Published: October 19, 2004


ASHINGTON, Oct. 18 - The Selective Service has been updating its
contingency plans for a draft of doctors, nurses and other health care
workers in case of a national emergency that overwhelms the military's
medical corps.

In a confidential report this summer, a contractor hired by the agency
described how such a draft might work, how to secure compliance and
how to mold public opinion and communicate with health care
professionals, whose lives could be disrupted.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 04:51:14 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Uncle Samuel
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday
to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely
reflect the economic makeup of the nation.
<snip>
Perhaps you missed the *actual* plans by the SSS
Perhaps you have a CITE!
Do your own research.It's been in the works for quite a while. If you have this
little idea of what's coming down the pike should W be re-elected, I wonder how
much you really care about the issues.
http://seattlepi.
FUCK that Seattle leftist fear mongering bullshit!
http://www.georgewbush.com/Veterans/Read.aspx?ID=3675
President Bush Says No Draft
"No, we're not going -- we don't need the draft. Look, the all-volunteer
Army is working. The all-volunteer Army... I know Senator McCain and I
agree on this issue for certain, the all-volunteer Army works."
~ President George W. Bush, August 10, 2004
Maybe he could tell them
He already told ALL of US you lying leftist bastard!

President Bush Says No Draft


"No, we're not going -- we don't need the draft. Look, the all-volunteer
Army is working. The all-volunteer Army... I know Senator McCain and I
agree on this issue for certain, the all-volunteer Army works."

~ President George W. Bush, August 10, 2004

President Bush is committed to keeping participation in the United
States Armed Services voluntary. The President’s cabinet has stated
that a draft is not being considered. Recruitment and retention rates
remain strong, and the military has not had any problem maintaining a
strong force. President Bush is confident in the current state of the
military and has assured that Nation that the all-volunteer military
force is working well.

President Bush's Administration has Remained Consistent on the Draft

Vice President Cheney says all volunteer force "works extraordinarily well."
"I don't foresee a situation in which we'd want to go back to the draft.
We made a decision after Vietnam to go with an all-volunteer force...
The all-volunteer force has produced an absolutely remarkable group of
men and women in the service. And I think it works. It works
extraordinarily well. And I'm a great believer in it... I suppose, at
some point down the road we'd have such a national crisis or emergency,
but it would have to be on the scale of World War II before I would
think that anybody would seriously contemplate the possibility of going
back again to the draft. I think what we have works very well." (Vice
President Cheney, Oregon City, OR, September, 17, 2004)

Secretary Rumsfeld calls suggestion of Bush initiated draft "nonsense."
When asked if by the Armed Services Committee about initiating the
draft, Secretary Rumsfeld replied, "That is absolute nonsense... It's
absolutely false that anyone in this administration is considering
reinstituting the draft." (Donald Rumsfeld, Senate Armed Services
Committee, September 23, 2004)

John Kerry is using the draft to scare young voters and veterans.
During campaign stops, John Kerry has worked to scare voters by
suggesting that President Bush will initiate a draft. "If George Bush
were to be re-elected, given the way he has gone about this war and
given his avoidance of responsibility in North Korea and Iran and other
places, is [a draft] possible


What???

Was Rangel's little class warfare scam not good enough for you, losing
402-2 in Congress, you scum sucking liberal LIAR!


Theta fuckwit even vored against *his own* bill!

You hypocitrte Demo Craps!

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/grogan/041019

Liberal Representative Rangel dodged his own draft bill





Kaye Grogan

Kaye Grogan
October 19, 2004


Just what kind of games are the Democrats playing? House representatives
Charles Rangel of New York, and Ernest Hollings of South Carolina, both
Democrats, introduced Bill 89 and House Resolution 163 in 2003, to
re-instate the draft, and then tried to lay the blame at President
Bush's feet recently. The bill lost all steam (not even a little puff )
— by an overwhelming defeat of 402-2. Rangel after being instrumental in
helping to draw up the draft proposal voted against his own bill. This
proves without little doubt remaining, the bill was and is a weapon
fabricated in order to use scare tactics against the president. So, you
young men who were shaking in your boots (not combat boots) can relax.
And now you don't have to devise ways to beat the draft. The HR 163
smoking gun has been blown out-of-the-water period, at least for now.

Let's look at the real smoking gun shot from the Democratic camp. First
and foremost, the president cannot re-instate the draft without the
consent of congress. End of story.

Even those of you at the back of the "peanut gallery" should have
digested this factual morsel.

Of course the real reason behind the scare tactic of the draft is as
transparent as Saran Wrap. The obvious is to get young men and women
stirred up, so they will fear another four-year term with President
Bush, and hopefully, they will pull their voting levers for John Kerry.
Geez, what these people will go to, trying to secure votes for their
dimpled darling John Kerry. I hesitate to use the title Senator, as he
has been absent from the senate for months, while he gallivants all over
the country campaigning. At least the president does return to the White
House between campaigning stops to attend to business. Both Kerry and
Edwards are certainly not concerned with important issues, and votes in
the senate or they both wouldn't have the nickname "no-show."

It would appear the Democrats are pulling out all of the "stoppers" in
every drain they can find. Or maybe that should be septic tanks.
According to a lot of sources the manual published and distributed by
the Democratic party leadership, there is a section where it instructs
voters to complain of voter intimidation and disenfranchisement, even if
there is none present. Come on . . . that's like telling children in
school — if there are no problems — then do your best to create some to
assure pandemonium.

Anyone involved with promoting and using underhanded tactics to try and
demean, coerce or in any other manner jeopardize the fair election
process, should be held accountable, and face criminal charges for
tampering with the republic freedom afforded every eligible voter here
in America. Hint . . . wink . . . I said eligible not ineligible voters.
There is a big difference you know — or do you?

Getting back to the draft: I think it should be mandatory all young men
after graduating from high school have to serve at least one year in the
military branch of his choice. At least this would aid in molding
character and teaching discipline many are not exposed to, because of
lack of these two important qualities being instilled in them by their
parents. Another option that could be beneficial is to enlist all
eligible (those without health problems) — young men and women in the
Army ROTC (Reserve Officer's Training Corps) making it mandatory in all
high schools across the country, students take the class at least for
two semesters before they can graduate. A little boot camp is what all
young people need to participate in, to see firsthand, what our troops
have to go through during the basic training stages. Taking this course
does not mean one has to automatically enter into the military. The
course is aimed at preparing "voluntary" recruits for possible
enlistments in the future.

There should be (and I believe there are), enough men and women who love
and honor this country, and would serve in the military without having
to eventually re-instate the draft. And even if the draft does become
essential to keeping our military strong, this will definitely separate
the men from the boys. We hear a lot about our troops in harm's way, and
many of them are, but everybody who has enlisted in the military for the
past 40 years are there from voluntary enlistments, no one twisted their
arm. Being a soldier means at a moment's notice they can be deployed
anywhere in the world to fight. This goes with the territory.

Maybe some of the members in congress should be drafted into the
military. At least then, they might actually earn their salaries, and
learn a little discipline . . . to boot.
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anon
2004-10-20 04:50:46 UTC
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He already told ALL of US you lying leftist bastard!
When President Bush told you "Mission Accomplished", did you believe him? Do
you believe the mission in Iraq has been accomplished?

He's lying to you, and you're being a sheeple.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:11:03 UTC
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He already told ALL of US you lying leftist bastard!
He's lying to you,
FUCK YOU _ DROP DEAD!

http://www.gopusa.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.pl?act=ST;f=1;t=15407

U.S. Rep. Pete Stark on Wednesday defended his vote -- on the losing
side of a 402-2 House roll call -- for reinstating a military draft, a
bill even its author no longer supported.
Stark, D-Fremont, was among the bill's original co-sponsors and said
Wednesday he's just being consistent: "I couldn't figure out, if I
thought it was good last January, why it would have been bad yesterday."

The bill, authored by Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., would have applied to
men and women ages 18 to 26; exemptions would have been granted to let
people graduate from high school, but college students would have had to
serve. Anyone not qualified for military service because of impairments
would have been asked to perform community service.

The bill and its Senate equivalent by Fritz Hollings, D-S.C., were
introduced in January 2003 and went nowhere until recently, when
Internet rumors circulated that the Bush administration was secretly
maneuvering toward a draft.

GOP leaders said they called the vote Tuesday to quash those rumors -- a
rare instance of bringing forth a bill solely to kill it, even as its
own author opposed it. Rangel said he'd introduced the bill before the
Iraq war to encourage people to think twice about President Bush's
foreign policy; bringing it to a vote was just a Republican
election-year tactic, he said.






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Orwellian Prophecy
2004-10-20 05:51:37 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
He already told ALL of US you lying leftist bastard!
He's lying to you,
FUCK YOU _ DROP DEAD!
http://www.gopusa.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.pl?act=ST;f=1;t=15407
The GOP isn't in the business of facts.

They are a lie manufacturing and distribution machine, in addition to a
stupidity tax collection agent and distillery of evil.
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Orwell saw this coming. Bush is Big Brother, and you're fucked.

Hell no, Bush must go!

Vote Nov 2: Bush finally gets his pink slip.
Uncle Samuel
2004-10-20 05:54:27 UTC
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Post by Uncle Samuel
Post by anon
Post by Uncle Samuel
He already told ALL of US you lying leftist bastard!
He's lying to you,
FUCK YOU _ DROP DEAD!
http://www.gopusa.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.pl?act=ST;f=1;t=15407
The GOP isn't in the business of facts.
FUCK YOU DROP DEAD!

U.S. Rep. Pete Stark on Wednesday defended his vote -- on the losing
side of a 402-2 House roll call -- for reinstating a military draft, a
bill even its author no longer supported.
Stark, D-Fremont, was among the bill's original co-sponsors and said
Wednesday he's just being consistent: "I couldn't figure out, if I
thought it was good last January, why it would have been bad yesterday."

The bill, authored by Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., would have applied to
men and women ages 18 to 26; exemptions would have been granted to let
people graduate from high school, but college students would have had to
serve. Anyone not qualified for military service because of impairments
would have been asked to perform community service.

The bill and its Senate equivalent by Fritz Hollings, D-S.C., were
introduced in January 2003 and went nowhere until recently, when
Internet rumors circulated that the Bush administration was secretly
maneuvering toward a draft.

GOP leaders said they called the vote Tuesday to quash those rumors -- a
rare instance of bringing forth a bill solely to kill it, even as its
own author opposed it. Rangel said he'd introduced the bill before the
Iraq war to encourage people to think twice about President Bush's
foreign policy; bringing it to a vote was just a Republican
election-year tactic, he said
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