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From: M
Date: Thursday, January 01, 2004 3:56 PM
Subject: Cheney Threat to Wellstone Over Iraq Vote Before Crash

Latest government report on Wellstone 'accident' finds its
scapegoats; many questions remain

By: Jackson Thoreau - 12/30/03

I'm for the little fellers, not the Rockefellers. - Sen. Paul Wellstone

Shortly before he died in a mysterious airplane crash 11 days prior
to the 2002 elections, Minnesota Sen. Paul Wellstone met with Vice
President Dick Cheney, probably the Bush administration's most evil
public face.

Cheney was rounding up Senate support for the October 2002 vote on
giving the administration carte blanche to invade Iraq, with or
without blessing from the United Nations. Cheney strong-armed
opposing politicians like the most vindictive of mafioso leaders, and
opponents usually gave in.

But not Wellstone. Whatever you thought of his progressive brand of
politics, he wasn't a wimp. And that's what made him more than
dangerous in the eyes of people like Cheney.

At a meeting full of war veterans in Willmar, Minn., days before his
death, Wellstone told attendees that Cheney told him, "If you vote
against the war in Iraq, the Bush administration will do whatever is
necessary to get you. There will be severe ramifications for you and
the state of Minnesota."

Wellstone cast his vote for his conscience and against the Iraq
measure, the lone Democrat involved in a tough 2002 election campaign
to do so. And a few weeks later on Oct. 25, as he appeared to be
winning his re-election bid, Wellstone, his wife, Sheila, his
daughter, Marcia Markuson, three campaign staffers, and two pilots
died in a plane crash in Minnesota.

Talk about "severe ramifications."

My first hunch upon hearing about the tragedy was that the Beech King
Air A-100 was tampered with by right wingers, possibly the CIA,
either directly or through electromagnetic rays or some psychic mind
games.

And nothing I have heard or read since then has made me drift from that hunch.
I'm not alone. The Duluth News Tribune featured a column by Jim
Fetzer, a University of Minnesota-Duluth philosophy professor and
author, in November 2003. Fetzer wrote that an FBI "recovery team"
headed out to investigate the Wellstone plane crash BEFORE the plane
went down. "I calculate that this team would have had to have left
the Twin Cities at about the same time the Wellstone plane was taking
off," Fetzer wrote.

That apparent prior knowledge was similar to Dallas police putting
out an all-points bulletin for accused John F. Kennedy assassin Lee
Harvey Oswald at 12:43 p.m. in 1963 for shooting a police officer.
The problem was the officer was not shot until 23 minutes later.

Fetzer also noted that Wellstone's plane was "exceptional, the pilots
well-qualified, and the weather posed no significant problems." He
wrote that "we have to consider other, less palatable, alternatives,
such as small bombs, gas canisters or electromagnetic pulse, radio
frequency or High Energy Radio Frequency weapons designed to
overwhelm electrical circuitry with an intense electromagnetic field.
An abrupt cessation of communication between the plane and the tower
took place at about 10:18 a.m., the same time an odd cell phone
phenomenon occurred with a driver in the immediate vicinity. This
suggests to me the most likely explanation is that one of our new
electromagnetic weapons was employed."

Michael Ruppert, publisher of From the Wilderness, wrote that the day
after the crash he received a message from a former CIA operative who
was familiar with those kinds of assassinations. The message read,
"As I said earlier, having played ball [and still playing in some
respects] with this current crop of reinvigorated old white men,
these clowns are nobody to screw around with. There will be a few
more strategic accidents. You can be certain of that."

Ruppert also interviewed two Democratic Congress representatives who
said they believed Wellstone was murdered. One said, "I don't think
there's anyone on the Hill who doesn't suspect it. It's too
convenient, too coincidental, too damned obvious. My guess is that
some of the less courageous members of the party are thinking about
becoming Republicans right now."

Even National Transportation Safety Board officials found aspects of
Wellstone's accident puzzling. An article in the Duluth News Tribune
a few days after the tragedy said that "for some still unexplained
reason - [the plane] turned off course and crashed." It quoted Carol
Carmody, the NTSB's acting chair and reportedly a former CIA
employee, as saying, "We find the whole turn curious."

NTSB blames pilots

But in November 2003, the NTSB blamed the two pilots of Wellstone's
plane, Richard Conry and Michael Guess, for the crash. The pilots
flew too high and too fast when they began a left turn toward the
runway, then let it slow to dangerous levels, the NTSB said.

The NTSB also accused Conry and Guess of not even monitoring the
instruments. "One of them should have been monitoring the
instruments," said Bill Bramble, a human performance investigator for
the NTSB.

Still, NTSB board member Richard Healing called the conclusion
"speculative," pointing out that the report did not say how the
pilots missed the red flags or why they failed to make adjustments.

"We don't know why," Healing said. "It's quite speculative."

The conclusion was especially disturbing considering the NTSB's own
simulations, which included flying a plane at abnormally slow speeds
and being unable to bring it down. That by itself should have forced
consideration of other possible causes.

The NTSB said that Conry made mistakes on previous flights that were
covered by his co-pilots and was convicted of mail fraud related to a
home-building business in 1990. But Wellstone had used Aviation
Charter since 1992 and had flown numerous other times with Conry,
with whom he was reportedly comfortable. Conry passed a proficiency
test just two days before the tragedy, and some attorneys said
regulations did not require revocation of a pilot's license because
of a criminal conviction unless it involved drugs or alcohol.

While the NTSB said some fellow pilots questioned the skill levels of
Conry and Guess, Conry had more than 5,000 hours of flying time,
according to his management company, Aviation Charter Inc. of Eden
Prairie, Minn..

Family members of Wellstone reached a $25 million settlement in
mid-2003 with Aviation Charter.

Several pilots said the NTSB was just looking for scapegoats. "It is
hard to believe that two experienced pilots would fail to monitor
airspeed," one said.

As in the case of JFK, the scapegoats who took the blame were
conveniently dead.

And many questions remained.

Electromagnetic pulse device suspected

More people than Fetzer and I believe that Wellstone's plane could
have been hit with an electromagnetic pulse [EMP] device that caused
the aircraft to suddenly turn off course.

Electromagnetic pulses from military craft may have been responsible
for several civilian airline disasters in the late 1990s, according
to an article in The London Observer. In particular, Swissair 111 in
1998 and TWA 800 in 1996 both took the same route over Long Island,
experienced trouble in the same region, suffered catastrophic
electrical malfunctions, and were flying at a time when military
exercises involving submarines and U.S. Navy P3 fighter planes were
being conducted.

Experts have even testified before Congress about concerns that
terrorists may use EMPs, which they said were capable of
short-circuiting computers, satellites, radios, radar, and traffic
lights. An EMP shockwave can be produced by a device small enough to
fit in a briefcase, they said. Stanley Jakubiak, senior civilian
official for nuclear command, control, communications, and EMP policy
for the Defense Department, admitted in 1999 Congressional testimony
that the feds have studied EMPs for years.

U.S. Marine Corp Major M. CaJohn went farther than that in a 1988
report, writing that officials had sought remedies for the effects of
EMPs at least since the early 1960s. The Air Force built an EMP
testing facility called TRESTLE in 1980 at Kirkland Air Force Base in
New Mexico. The Navy also erected an EMP testing facility called
EMPRESS I at Point Patience on the Patuxent River in Maryland. Other
agencies have their own EMP facilities.

Fetzer also reports on other instances and reports, including nuclear
tests by Soviets and Americans in the 1960s resulting in gigantic
releases of electromagnetic energy. There is also this 1998 U.S.
Department of Justice document describing these devices:
http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles/sl298.txt.

First developed in the 19th century, EMPs now are relatively easy to
obtain. Anyone can acquire an EMP generator through the Internet,
such as athttp://www.amazing1.com/emp.htm.

Theoretically, a person a few miles from the runway could bombard the
aircraft with an intense electromagnetic pulse, which could cause an
electrical failure, instantly knock out radio communication, disrupt
normal engine ignition, and cause loss of steering control. The
steering control surfaces on these airplanes are controlled by
individual electrical actuators that are mechanically linked to the
rudder, ailerons, and flaps.

This type of sabotage would leave no physical evidence on the
aircraft, although it's possible that people at the airport or in the
general vicinity might have noticed electrical anomalies like radio
noises, a crashed computer, telephone disruption, and so on.

A Texas software engineer wrote me that EMPs damage systems by
generating an electrical pulse in the system wiring. Therefore, a
component would not have to be directly exposed to an EMP to be
damaged. An aircraft struck by an EMP pulse would not likely die,
unless the plane was hit by an extremely powerful EMP pulse.

"More likely, an EMP strike would disable delicate electronic
systems, leaving electrical systems intact," the engineer wrote.
"After being struck by an EMP, the aircraft would likely function
more or less normally, but without any control systems, instruments,
or radios. This would account for the assertion that the Wellstone
plane's engines were still running when the plane hit the ground."

Another electrical engineer wrote, "You don't need anything as
elaborate as an EMP generator. Standard issue radio transmitters can
screw up a landing."

Lawrence Judd, an Illinois attorney, wrote the NTSB to ask whether it
has or will investigate the possibility that EMF weapons were used to
bring down the planes of Senators Wellstone and Carnahan. Robert
Benzon wrote him back, thusly,"The NTSB is unaware of any mobile EM
force or EM pulse weapon system capable of disabling an aircraft at
the ground-to-air ranges that existed in either of the accidents you
mention in your email."

But Fetzer noted that what the NTSB may or may not be "aware of"
depends on its state of actual or feigned ignorance. "In this day and
age, there is no excuse for any such lack of knowledge about
increasingly familiar weapons," Fetzer wrote me in an email. "It
reminds me of the Warren Report's conclusion that there was 'no
credible evidence' of conspiracy in the death of JFK. It all depends
on what you are willing to consider 'credible.' Today, such a
statement would be considered laughable - similarly that of the NTSB."

Weird cell phone interference reported

John Ongaro, a Minnesota lobbyist, wrote to Fetzer about his
experience the day Wellstone died. Ongaro said he was driving to the
same funeral that Wellstone and his party were flying to in Eveleth,
Minn. While traveling north on Hwy. 53 near the Eveleth-Virginia
Municipal Airport in the same area as Wellstone's plane, he received
a call on his cell phone at precisely the same time Wellstone's King
Air veered off course.

"This call was in a league of its own," Ongaro said. "When I answered
it, what I heard sounded like a cross between a roar and a loud
humming noise. The noise seemed to be oscillating, and I could not
make out any words being spoken. Instead, just this loud, grotesque,
sometimes screeching and humming noise."

What he heard may very well have been electronic interference from an
EMP or microwave weapon.

One writer to talk show host Jeff Rense suggested a scenario
involving "black op specialists" in a van or truck full of
radio/instrument landing jamming equipment. "As Wellstone's plane
approaches the airport, the VOR/ILS jamming equipment is activated,
and a 'decoy' VOR signal is sent to the plane, thus tricking the
plane's instruments [and the pilot] into believing the airport is
somewhere several degrees off the true course to the runway," S.H.
wrote. "The pilot follows that signal straight into the ground. The
non-descript van, full of covert electronic jamming equipment,
casually leaves the area, looking just like any other TV repair truck
or moving van."

Witnesses hear an explosion, see a flash of light

One witness of Wellstone's crash, Megen Williams, who lived near the
Eveleth airport, told the St. Paul Pioneer Press that she heard "a
diving noise and then an explosion" as she prepared for work as a
nurse in her home near the crash site. At first, she thought it was
blasting at a nearby iron ore mine, and she didn't call authorities.

Another local resident, Rodney Allen, said the plane flew right over
his house. "It was so close the windows were shaking," Allen said. He
added that the craft was "crabbing to the right," then less than a
minute later, he felt an impact and heard what he thought sounded
like a loud rifle shot. St. Paul Pioneer Press, Oct. 26, 2002

Investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board said the
plane was last seen on air traffic control radar at 10:21 a.m.,
flying at an elevation of 1,800 feet. Radar tapes indicate
Wellstone's plane had descended to about 400 feet and was traveling
at only 85 knots near the end of its flight.

Another person saw a blond-haired man on CNN saying he observed a
flash of light at the rear of the plane.

Don Sipola, a former president of the Eveleth Virginia Municipal
Airport Commission, said "something" caused Wellstone's plan to veer
off course at low altittude. "This was a real steep bank, not a nice,
gentle don't-spill-the-coffee descent," Siploa said. "This is more
like a space shuttle coming down. This was not a controlled descent
into the ground."

The pilots of Wellstone's plane radioed that they were two miles out,
clicked up the runway lights, and had the airstrip in sight, said
Traci Chacich, the airport's office manager. That was the last that
airport employees heard from them.

Weather not that bad

Some officials and media reports blamed bad weather, but witnesses
said conditions were not that bad at the time of Wellstone's
accident. It was cloudy with a little ice, but there was little wind.
Other pilots landed without problem during that same time and said
the conditions were not bad. Airport visibility was about 3 miles at
the time the plane went down, which was adequate.

Another pilot who landed a slightly larger twin-engine plane at the
same airport that same day a couple of hours before Wellstone's plane
crashed, told the St. Paul Pioneer Press that he experienced no
significant problems. There was very light ice, "but nothing to be
alarmed about," pilot Ray Juntunen said. "It shouldn't have been a
problem."

According to the NTSB, Wellstone's pilots received warnings of icing
at 9,000 to 11,000 feet and were allowed to descend to 4,000 feet.
Juntunen said he was able to see the airport from five miles out, and
another pilot landed 30 minutes later and said the clouds were a
little lower, but still not bad.

Frank Hilldrup, lead investigator for the NTSB, said the landing gear
of Wellstone's plane appeared to be down.

The King Air had a reputation as one of the safest turboprops around,
many manufacturers and pilots said. Some 50 accidents involving King
Air A100s had occurred between 1975 and 2002, according to the FAA.
Five were fatal, but three of those weren't the plane's fault.

Wellstone was target of apparent assassination in 2000

Wellstone was the target of an apparent assassination plot before. In
2000, as he visited Colombia to survey conditions there, a bomb was
found along his route from the airport. He was also sprayed with the
herbicide glyphosate by a helicopter above him while watching the
Colombian police demonstrate its fumigation of coca plants. Officials
called the incident an accident.

Wellstone was a vocal opponent of military aid to the Colombian
government. While there, he visited human rights activists who said
the government did not protect civilians. Wellstone told reporters he
thought his Colombian hosts created the bomb story to dissuade him
from traveling to certain areas of the country. "I don't know whether
I was targeted, but I certainly know that the human rights activists
are targeted," Wellstone said.

Among the weird events since Wellstone's death was that his successor
in the U.S. Senate, Republican Norm Coleman, was named chairman of
the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. As Fetzer said,
that's a practically unheard of position for a freshman senator with
no previous experience. Could that be why Congress has not opened a
formal investigation into Wellstone's death?

For my part, I'm not a big conspiracy nut who worries about this kind
of thing all the time - just an average one like Oliver Stone who
knows there's something sinister and weird going on in our world. I
have done extensive research into the JFK assassination in Dallas.
The right wing of the CIA was heavily involved in that, from Oswald's
CIA connections to the Dallas mayor at that time being the brother of
the former CIA deputy director who lost his job after the Bay of Pigs
fiasco and blamed that on JFK. The Dallas mayor may even have
approved the change in the parade route on that fateful day so it
would go right by the grassy knoll and building where Oswald and
probably other snipers were, where JFK met his death.

I have interviewed numerous people who reported weird things that
occurred during that time, such as key witnesses dying in strange
ways like mysterious plane crashes and being run over by trains in
the middle of the night. I have written numerous stories on this and
covered it in my book on Dallas history - and have received my share
of threatening phone calls, mail opened, and the like to know I was
stepping on some powerful toes.

There were also numerous JFK murder witnesses committing suicide in
the months after that tragedy. The CIA has done extensive mind
control work for decades - I know at least one psychic personally who
started working for the CIA in the 1980s - and could possibly
convince someone through such mind games to commit suicide. Could
they psychically work on making a plane crash? Who knows? Anything is
possible.

Similarities with Carnahan, Kennedy crashes

What about Democratic Missouri Gov. Mel Carnahan, who was killed
during a close Senate race when his small plane crashed right before
the 2000 election? What about John F. Kennedy Jr., who had
intelligence, political ambitions, charisma, and the name, dying in a
1999 plane crash?

In both of those cases, the planes were already descending towards
their landing and then suddenly wandered off their approach paths and
crashed, similar to Wellstone's craft. In all three cases, radio
contact appears to have been cut off while the planes were still in
the air, possibly indicating electrical failures on board.

In Kennedy's case, at least one witness saw a flash in the sky and
heard an explosion before the plane went down, as in Wellstone's
situation. Kennedy's plane was also left unguarded at Teeterborough
Airport in New Jersey, and almost anyone could have placed something
inside it.

The list of high-profile Democratic politicians killed in plane
crashes goes on - Commerce Secretary Ron Brown in 1996, Rep. Mickey
Leland of Texas in 1989, Rep. Jerry Litton of Missouri in 1976 [who
was also involved in a hard-fought election at the time], House
Majority Leader Hale Boggs of Louisiana and Rep. Nick Begich of
Alaska in 1972. High-profile Republicans have died in crashes,
including Sen. John Heinz of Pennsylvania and Sen. John Tower of
Texas in 1991, but not as many as Democrats.

In fact, of 22 air crashes involving state and federal officials,
including one ambassador and one cabinet official, From the
Wilderness found that 14 - 64 percent - were Democrats and eight - 36
percent - were Republicans.

Add to that Raytheon Co., one of the biggest U.S. military
contractors and manufacturer of the plane that crashed with Wellstone
in it, being a huge donor to Republicans, and the mind continues to
wonder. U.S. House Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey of Texas,
for instance, received $48,201 alone from Raytheon in 1997-98. The
Republican National Committee received at least $170,000 from
Raytheon since 1999. Raytheon donates to Democrats, too, but more
than twice as much money goes to Republicans.

Raytheon has all kinds of CIA connections, as does Bush, whose
father, remember, was once director of the CIA. One of the more
intriguing discoveries that emerged from the NTSB's own investigation
of this case was that Raytheon not only manufactured EM force and EM
pulse weapons, but also manufactured the King Air A100. No other
entity would have been better positioned to have taken it down. See
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2003/AAR0303.htm for more details.

Bush, for his part, issued some strange comments immediately after
Wellstone's crash, even for him. He called Wellstone - who was an
articulate, energetic, intelligent political science professor for 21
years before he was a senator - a"plain-spoken fellow." He said he
wanted to issue his "condolences for the loss of the Senate." Did he
mean the Democrats' sudden loss of the Senate, which occurred the day
Wellstone died? Did he know something more than he let on?

Bush once called Wellstone a 'chicken shit'

There was no love lost between the Bush clan and Wellstone. In 1990,
as Wellstone challenged the Persian Gulf War preparations, Bush Sr.
even referred to Wellstone as a "chicken shit." When Wellstone first
met Bush Jr. in 2001, the latter disrespectfully called him "Pablo."

As The Nation said in May 2002, getting rid of Wellstone was a
passion for Bush, Karl Rove, and Cheney. "There are people in the
White House who wake up in the morning thinking about how they will
defeat Paul Wellstone," a senior Republican aide told The Nation.
"This one is political and personal for them."

No senator had a more consistent record of voting against Bush
administration proposals in 2001. Wellstone voted against the
Homeland Security Act and many of Bush's judicial nominees. He pushed
for stronger environmental programs, for genuine measures to counter
corporate fraud, and for investigations into Sept. 11 and $350
million that was missing from the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

Freepers' comments I read about this tragedy were mostly tasteful -
on the surface - though some jokes and conspiratorial posts were
published on their right-wing site. Right after the news of the
crash, some posted comments like "prayers for control of the Senate."
Several comments were removed by the moderator. One that was not
said, "You do realize that as we sit here praying for one of our
biggest political enemies' safety, President Bush will be blamed by
the Democrats [including the rabid leftists at DU and other
brain-sucking sites] for the crash."

Another joked, "Maybe it was shot down by a right wing militia. We've
got to ban handguns." And another said, "Ted Kennedy may have been on
[the plane]." Then there was this ramble: "Politically speaking,
would this be good or bad news for the GOP if he's dead? I could see
him winning now like Carnahan in 2000 so that Gov. Jesse could
appoint his successor. I'm thinking this is probably not good news."

And this comment: "Any bets on how quickly the Democrats will have
his wife take his place on the ballot?" Hello? Sen. Wellstone's wife
died in the tragedy, remember? Another post predicted that
"[Republican Senate candidate in Minnesota] Coleman's campaign is
dead." And then there was this message: "I pray that Wellstone and
all of his aides survive, and live to see themselves defeated handily
on Nov 5th...unless this is yet another of Tom 'Caligula' Daschle's
election schemes." Someone else added, "Carnahan II? Ventura is the
governor, not a D...this time."

Such conservatives' glee at the demise of probably the most powerful
real progressive in the country was entirely evident in such
comments. Many contained themselves, but we know what they're really
thinking, don't we?

And a few days after Wellstone's death, right wingers were selling
and displaying on their vehicles insensitive bumper stickers with
messages like, "He's dead, get over it." How's that for
"compassionate conservatism?"

More good stories

There are many good stories on the Wellstone crash out there. Those include:
http://www.assassinationscience.com/FuturisticWeaponry.pdfhttp://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthtribune/news/opinion/7306797.htmhttp://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/110102_wellstone.htmlhttp://news.mpr.org/features/2003/03/03_zdechlikm_wellstone/
http://www.alternet.org/print.html?StoryID=14399
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0210/S00206.htmhttp://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=78&contentid=652&page=2

Jackson Thoreau, a contributing writer for Liberal Slant, is
co-author of "We Will Not Get Over It: Restoring a Legitimate White
House". The 110,000-word electronic book can be downloaded at
http://www.geocities.com/jacksonthor/ebook.html or
athttp://www.legitgov.org/we_will_not_get_over_it.html Thoreau also
co-authored a book on Dallas history from the perspective of
African-Americans, civil rights advocates, and others.
His articles can also be found at: www.americaheldhostile.com
Thoreau can be emailed at: ***@justice.com or
***@yahoo.com
Lobby Dosser
2004-02-02 04:41:30 UTC
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Post by cor
For resisting the war in Iraq?
do you EVER read this stuff??!!

Eloctromagnetic weapons???!! Psychic Forces???!!

This guy needs to buy the Industrial Size rolls of tinfoil at Costco!
lein
2004-02-02 17:57:24 UTC
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Post by cor
For resisting the war in Iraq?
do you EVER read this stuff??!!
Eloctromagnetic weapons???!! Psychic Forces???!!
This guy needs to buy the Industrial Size rolls of tinfoil at Costco!
More and more I'm beginning to think that cor is Ray's son.
cor
2004-02-02 20:59:58 UTC
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Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by cor
For resisting the war in Iraq?
do you EVER read this stuff??!!
Eloctromagnetic weapons???!! Psychic Forces???!!
This guy needs to buy the Industrial Size rolls of tinfoil at Costco!
More and more I'm beginning to think that cor is Ray's son.
If a few months ago someone was reporting that the White House
had taken the US to war with false intelligence and deception,
you would have called them treasonous loonies with tin foil hats.
cor
2004-02-02 20:58:09 UTC
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Post by cor
For resisting the war in Iraq?
do you EVER read this stuff??!!
Eloctromagnetic weapons???!! Psychic Forces???!!
This guy needs to buy the Industrial Size rolls of tinfoil at Costco!
Electromagnetic weapons?
What makes you think that the brain electric signals are immune to
electromagnetic radiation?

Psychic Forces?
No, it said "psychic mind games."
That could include messing with the navigation instruments,
drugging the pilot, or any of probably thousands of tricks
in the sleeves of the Psy Op or CIA operatives.
Bert Hyman
2004-02-02 21:06:07 UTC
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Post by cor
What makes you think that the brain electric signals are immune to
electromagnetic radiation?
Well, rather than pose rhetorical questions, why not tell us exactly
what sort radiation, produced by what sort of mechanism, produces what
sort of effect?
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | ***@visi.com
Lobby Dosser
2004-02-03 02:35:47 UTC
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Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by cor
For resisting the war in Iraq?
do you EVER read this stuff??!!
Eloctromagnetic weapons???!! Psychic Forces???!!
This guy needs to buy the Industrial Size rolls of tinfoil at Costco!
Electromagnetic weapons?
What makes you think that the brain electric signals are immune to
electromagnetic radiation?
Psychic Forces?
No, it said "psychic mind games."
That could include messing with the navigation instruments,
drugging the pilot, or any of probably thousands of tricks
in the sleeves of the Psy Op or CIA operatives.
Pick up some tinfoil for yourself.
John Judy
2004-02-03 10:29:18 UTC
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Post by cor
For resisting the war in Iraq?
do you EVER read this stuff??!!
Eloctromagnetic weapons???!! Psychic Forces???!!
Cor's theory is a bit outlandish/paranoid, but you might want to try reading
something at some point. EMP weapons exist and are in the arsenal now and
your tax dollars have been spent on "psychics as tools of war" programs in
the past.
Lobby Dosser
2004-02-04 06:04:39 UTC
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Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by cor
For resisting the war in Iraq?
do you EVER read this stuff??!!
Eloctromagnetic weapons???!! Psychic Forces???!!
Cor's theory is a bit outlandish/paranoid, but you might want to try
reading something at some point. EMP weapons exist and are in the
arsenal now and your tax dollars have been spent on "psychics as tools
of war" programs in the past.
FWIW, none of these posts are actually cor's theories. He posts the work
of others as a straight man for the Sceptical Enquirer.
Kevin C.
2004-02-02 17:39:32 UTC
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Post by cor
For resisting the war in Iraq?
-----Original Message-----
From: M
Date: Thursday, January 01, 2004 3:56 PM
Subject: Cheney Threat to Wellstone Over Iraq Vote Before Crash
<SNIP>
I think the answer is obvious, John Ongaro caused the accident with his cell
phone.


John Ongaro, a Minnesota lobbyist, wrote to Fetzer about his
experience the day Wellstone died. Ongaro said he was driving to the
same funeral that Wellstone and his party were flying to in Eveleth,
Minn. While traveling north on Hwy. 53 near the Eveleth-Virginia
Municipal Airport in the same area as Wellstone's plane, he received
a call on his cell phone at precisely the same time Wellstone's King
Air veered off course.

"This call was in a league of its own," Ongaro said. "When I answered
it, what I heard sounded like a cross between a roar and a loud
humming noise. The noise seemed to be oscillating, and I could not
make out any words being spoken. Instead, just this loud, grotesque,
sometimes screeching and humming noise."


See the CIA used " psychic mind games" to make poor John reprogram his cell
phone to emit the EMP. Damn those tricky bastards.

See cor, this whole thing can be shown as a load of crap with the following
paragraph.

"My first hunch upon hearing about the tragedy was that the Beech King
Air A-100 was tampered with by right wingers, possibly the CIA,
either directly or through electromagnetic rays or some psychic mind
games."

When the world is so full of obvious, real possibilities (like weather,
pilot error, mechanical error, etc) and your first thought is to
electromagnetic rays or psychic mind games, it means you're a loony.

-Kevin C.
--
"everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Sen.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
cor
2004-02-02 21:03:03 UTC
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"Kevin C." wrote:
...
Post by Kevin C.
See cor, this whole thing can be shown as a load of crap with the following
paragraph.
"My first hunch upon hearing about the tragedy was that the Beech King
Air A-100 was tampered with by right wingers, possibly the CIA,
either directly or through electromagnetic rays or some psychic mind
games."
The paragraph is clear that is his OPINION, his SPECULATION based
on the fact that the plane went down in clear weather without
explaination. The guy did not even try to pass us false intelligence
from the Brits.
Post by Kevin C.
When the world is so full of obvious, real possibilities (like weather,
pilot error, mechanical error, etc) and your first thought is to
electromagnetic rays or psychic mind games, it means you're a loony.
-Kevin C.
--
"everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Sen.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Kevin C.
2004-02-02 22:35:50 UTC
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Post by cor
...
Post by Kevin C.
See cor, this whole thing can be shown as a load of crap with the following
paragraph.
"My first hunch upon hearing about the tragedy was that the Beech King
Air A-100 was tampered with by right wingers, possibly the CIA,
either directly or through electromagnetic rays or some psychic mind
games."
The paragraph is clear that is his OPINION, his SPECULATION based
on the fact that the plane went down in clear weather without
explaination. The guy did not even try to pass us false intelligence
from the Brits.
<Snip>

Yes, it's obvious that it's his opinion. There are no facts to back up any
of it. What I'm saying is that when a plane crashes and your first
conclusion is that the right wing conspiracy is using electromagnetic rays
and/or psychic mind games to assassinate people you're a kook. A nut case.
A brick shy of a load. A can shy of a six pack. Your elevator isn't going
to the top floor, you should be under supervision and medicated.

And another thing cor, it was NOT clear weather.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/4371837.htm

"At the time of the crash, the cloud ceiling at the airport was 700 feet. A
light fog blanketed the area and a few snowflakes drifted to the ground.
Winds were light. The pilots were flying blind through the clouds, relying
on their instruments for guidance."


I also thought this was interesting. (From the same article as above)

"King Air A100s have compiled a relatively good safety record. National
Transportation Board records show just two fatal accidents involving the
planes in the past six years, and those crashes occurred 11 days apart in
December 1997.
But both accidents bear some eerie similarities to Friday's accident. Both
involved experienced pilots who crashed while trying to make Instrument
Landing System (ILS) approaches in heavy fog. One accident, in Colorado,
killed two Minnesota men and injured a third."

Kevin C.
--
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Sen.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Dan Mercer
2004-02-02 17:43:05 UTC
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"cor" <***@exchangenet.net> wrote in message news:***@exchangenet.net...
: For resisting the war in Iraq?
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: M
: Date: Thursday, January 01, 2004 3:56 PM
: Subject: Cheney Threat to Wellstone Over Iraq Vote Before Crash
:
:
: Wellstone cast his vote for his conscience and against the Iraq
: measure, the lone Democrat involved in a tough 2002 election campaign
: to do so. And a few weeks later on Oct. 25, as he appeared to be
: winning his re-election bid, Wellstone, his wife, Sheila, his
: daughter, Marcia Markuson, three campaign staffers, and two pilots
: died in a plane crash in Minnesota.
:
: Talk about "severe ramifications."
:
: My first hunch upon hearing about the tragedy was that the Beech King
: Air A-100 was tampered with by right wingers, possibly the CIA,
: either directly or through electromagnetic rays or some psychic mind
: games.
:
: And nothing I have heard or read since then has made me drift from that hunch.

Keep on yopur tinfoil hat. Thatt'l keep out the electromagnetic rays. But I'm
still going to get you with my psychic mind games. And your LITTLE DOG TOO!

Dan Mercer
cor
2004-02-02 21:05:30 UTC
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Dan Mercer wrote:
...
Post by Dan Mercer
Keep on yopur tinfoil hat. Thatt'l keep out the electromagnetic rays. But I'm
still going to get you with my psychic mind games. And your LITTLE DOG TOO!
Dan Mercer
Tamper with the door switches in your home microwave, leave the door
open, turn it on, and enjoy your brain inmunity against microwaves.
lein
2004-02-03 17:41:08 UTC
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Post by cor
...
Post by Dan Mercer
Keep on yopur tinfoil hat. Thatt'l keep out the electromagnetic rays. But I'm
still going to get you with my psychic mind games. And your LITTLE DOG TOO!
Dan Mercer
Tamper with the door switches in your home microwave, leave the door
open, turn it on, and enjoy your brain inmunity against microwaves.
Did you ever consider that this was payback for the socialists downing the
plane carrying Senator Heinz? They wanted Heinz's widow, Theresa, to marry
John Kerry to help him with financing a presidentail run in 2004!

Where is your outrage at this, hypocrite!
Zippy the Pinhead
2004-02-03 00:54:28 UTC
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:41:34 -0800, cor
Post by cor
Shortly before he died in a mysterious airplane crash
There are four forces that act on an airplane. Arguably the most
important one is "lift". That's the "up" force; others are thrust,
drag and good ol' gravity. Lift is what alows the airplane to fly,
and it is produced by the wing. Moving forward at a give speed with
respect to the surrounding air mass is the force that keeps an
airplane flying. Fail to move the wing through the surrounding air
mass at a given speed will make the wing, and all the wonderful
goodies hooked to the wing, stop flying. That happened one day in
Eveleth, MN:

The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable
cause of this accident was the flight crew’s failure to maintain
adequate airspeed, which led to an aerodynamic stall from which they
did not recover.

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2003/AAR0303.htm

The plane crash is not "mysterious" to anyone who has a clue, or even
a small part of one.
Norma
2004-02-03 03:03:39 UTC
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Post by Zippy the Pinhead
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:41:34 -0800, cor
Post by cor
Shortly before he died in a mysterious airplane crash
There are four forces that act on an airplane. Arguably the most
important one is "lift". That's the "up" force; others are thrust,
drag and good ol' gravity. Lift is what alows the airplane to fly,
and it is produced by the wing. Moving forward at a give speed with
respect to the surrounding air mass is the force that keeps an
airplane flying. Fail to move the wing through the surrounding air
mass at a given speed will make the wing, and all the wonderful
goodies hooked to the wing, stop flying. That happened one day in
The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable
cause of this accident was the flight crew's failure to maintain
adequate airspeed, which led to an aerodynamic stall from which they
did not recover.
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2003/AAR0303.htm
The plane crash is not "mysterious" to anyone who has a clue, or even
a small part of one.
But it is painful to those Minnesotans like me, who supported the man from
day 1. He was the ultimate "honest" politician in my lifetime. Norma
Dan Mercer
2004-02-03 04:54:25 UTC
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"Norma" <***@charter.net> wrote in message news:***@corp.supernews.com...
:
: "Zippy the Pinhead" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:***@4ax.com...
: > On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:41:34 -0800, cor
: > <***@exchangenet.net> wrote:
: >
: > >Shortly before he died in a mysterious airplane crash
: >
: > There are four forces that act on an airplane. Arguably the most
: > important one is "lift". That's the "up" force; others are thrust,
: > drag and good ol' gravity. Lift is what alows the airplane to fly,
: > and it is produced by the wing. Moving forward at a give speed with
: > respect to the surrounding air mass is the force that keeps an
: > airplane flying. Fail to move the wing through the surrounding air
: > mass at a given speed will make the wing, and all the wonderful
: > goodies hooked to the wing, stop flying. That happened one day in
: > Eveleth, MN:
: >
: > The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable
: > cause of this accident was the flight crew's failure to maintain
: > adequate airspeed, which led to an aerodynamic stall from which they
: > did not recover.
: >
: > http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2003/AAR0303.htm
: >
: > The plane crash is not "mysterious" to anyone who has a clue, or even
: > a small part of one.
:
: But it is painful to those Minnesotans like me, who supported the man from
: day 1. He was the ultimate "honest" politician in my lifetime. Norma
: >
: >
:

If Paul were truly honest, he would still be alive. He would have not run
for a third term and would not have been flying. The scary thing about
liberals is the way they idolize their leaders. They want messiahs,
not fallable men. When their idols show feet of clay, liberals close
their eyes in denial and start muttering about "vast right wing conspiracies".
Ted Kennedy wasn't a spineless drunken letch who drove off a bridge
then left his passenger to drown. No, he was sabotaged.

It's all very sad and very frightening. If this country ever does succumb
to tyranny it will be from the left blindly following some savior over a cliff.

Dan Mercer

:
cor
2004-02-03 07:59:13 UTC
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Dan Mercer wrote:
...
Post by Dan Mercer
It's all very sad and very frightening. If this country ever does succumb
to tyranny it will be from the left blindly following some savior over a cliff.
Dan Mercer
The country already succumb to tyranny of the Right, blindly following
an idiot in chase of non existing threats while forgetting real ones.
Huh??
2004-02-04 03:30:26 UTC
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Post by cor
...
Post by Dan Mercer
It's all very sad and very frightening. If this country ever does succumb
to tyranny it will be from the left blindly following some savior over a cliff.
Dan Mercer
The country already succumb to tyranny of the Right, blindly following
an idiot in chase of non existing threats while forgetting real ones.
Like the socialists here at home?
SupaKlute
2004-02-05 22:08:28 UTC
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Post by Dan Mercer
: > On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:41:34 -0800, cor
: >
: > >Shortly before he died in a mysterious airplane crash
: >
: > There are four forces that act on an airplane. Arguably the most
: > important one is "lift". That's the "up" force; others are thrust,
: > drag and good ol' gravity. Lift is what alows the airplane to fly,
: > and it is produced by the wing. Moving forward at a give speed with
: > respect to the surrounding air mass is the force that keeps an
: > airplane flying. Fail to move the wing through the surrounding air
: > mass at a given speed will make the wing, and all the wonderful
: > goodies hooked to the wing, stop flying. That happened one day in
: >
: > The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable
: > cause of this accident was the flight crew's failure to maintain
: > adequate airspeed, which led to an aerodynamic stall from which they
: > did not recover.
: >
: > http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2003/AAR0303.htm
: >
: > The plane crash is not "mysterious" to anyone who has a clue, or even
: > a small part of one.
: But it is painful to those Minnesotans like me, who supported the man from
: day 1. He was the ultimate "honest" politician in my lifetime. Norma
: >
: >
If Paul were truly honest, he would still be alive. He would have not run
for a third term and would not have been flying.
That is a thoroughly repulsive thing to say. The man made a decision
about running that seemigly was predicated upon his values. You can
say that is dishonest, others might suggest he made a promise unaware
of what the future may hold.

I wonder if you hold all the 1994 Contract On America Republicans who
pushed for term limits to the same standard. I doubt it.
Post by Dan Mercer
The scary thing about
liberals is the way they idolize their leaders. They want messiahs,
not fallable men.
Like Reagan? W? Karl Rove? The Republican Party right now is all about
a dynastic cult of personality. Seems to me there are plenty of
liberals who condemned Clinton's behavior and do nothign to idiolize
him.
Post by Dan Mercer
When their idols show feet of clay, liberals close
their eyes in denial and start muttering about "vast right wing conspiracies".
Ted Kennedy wasn't a spineless drunken letch who drove off a bridge
then left his passenger to drown. No, he was sabotaged.
Who on earth excuses Ted Kennedy? No one in the last 20 years. Please,
Rush Limbaugh is one now whinign about "left-wing conspiracies". Your
bobo Dege is constantly whining about a mythical "liberal media" and
even now the White HOuse is fussing that "Democrats are playing
politics with national security". Whine, whine, whine.
Post by Dan Mercer
It's all very sad and very frightening. If this country ever does succumb
to tyranny it will be from the left blindly following some savior over a cliff.
That is a fanciful belief that seems to be ignoring the theocratic,
dynastic tendencies of the Bush crew and the line of Presidents they
are attempting to create.
Post by Dan Mercer
Dan Mercer
Bob Tiernan
2004-02-03 09:24:55 UTC
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Post by Norma
Post by Zippy the Pinhead
The plane crash is not "mysterious" to anyone who
has a clue, or even a small part of one.
But it is painful to those Minnesotans like me, who
supported the man from day 1. He was the ultimate
"honest" politician in my lifetime.
Tho' I couldn't agree with him on most
things, I was grateful for anyone who
was able to bounce an entrenched
senator like Rudy. I always like to
see those fossils go. It's good for the
whole country. Wellstone's campaign
against Rudy was proof that underdogs
can beat arrogant, entrenched incumbents.
"Where's Rudy?".

Bob T
Zippy the Pinhead
2004-02-04 04:26:36 UTC
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Post by Norma
But it is painful to those Minnesotans like me, who supported the man from
day 1. He was the ultimate "honest" politician in my lifetime. Norma
You ane I are polar opposites politically, just from the evidence in
the above. But you and I are in agreement regarding Wellstone's
honesty. In my book he was honest but totally wrong. I am not saying
that to start an argument, but by way of introducing my next thought.

It IS painful. Even to people who disagreed as profoundly and
diametrically with his politics as I. I wanted Wellstone out of the
Senate in the worst way -- but for God's sake, not THAT way.
n***@charter.net
2004-02-04 12:27:54 UTC
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Post by Zippy the Pinhead
Post by Norma
But it is painful to those Minnesotans like me, who supported the man from
day 1. He was the ultimate "honest" politician in my lifetime. Norma
You ane I are polar opposites politically, just from the evidence in
the above. But you and I are in agreement regarding Wellstone's
honesty. In my book he was honest but totally wrong. I am not saying
that to start an argument, but by way of introducing my next thought.
It IS painful. Even to people who disagreed as profoundly and
diametrically with his politics as I. I wanted Wellstone out of the
Senate in the worst way -- but for God's sake, not THAT way.
Thanks for that anyway. As another academic, I liked him very much.
He was sincere, and still had things to offer. He had really just
begun in the political "game". He was a dear professor to his
students, a husband and father, and, evenrtually, he could have made a
difference. Norma
Spread Eagle
2004-02-03 16:06:35 UTC
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cor <***@exchangenet.net> wrote in message news:<***@exchangenet.net>...
http://www.americanfreepress.net/RFA_Articles/Suppressed_Evidence_Emerges_/suppressed_evidence_emerges_.html
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/25/politicians.plane.crashes/

You're falling down on the job cur. You didn't really tell 'em about
how causing plane crashes on the eve of elections is a tried and true
method for the vast right wing conspiracy when it wants to permanently
silence and get rid of its Democrat opposition. You just scratched
the surface. Ya gotta dig deeper, cur.

Remember the evil and dastardly John Ashcroft's opponent in Missouri
in 2000, Mel Carnahan, who, 2 weeks before the election, went down in
a plane crash? Tell 'em about how, luckily we thought, the good
people of Missouri went ahead and elected him posthumously, and that
his poor grieving widow, Jean, was appointed to the Senate seat. So
the people prevailed, right? Hah! Tell 'em about that, cur, but ya
gotta also tell 'em about how the evil 'pugs had that all plotted out
too, and that they scored a two-fer out of it anyway, because it freed
up Ashcroft to be appointed to the position of attorney general,
enabling him to lead his jihad against death with dignity, medicinal
marijuana, and the constitutional rights of every living thing on the
planet, AND (here's the second part of the two-fer coming atcha) in
the 2002 special election to determine who would complete her
husband's term, the Bush-Ashcroft-Florida fix was in, and Jean
Carnahan lost to Republican Jim Talent. OMG!, the double switch! The
double switch! And a big-time two-fer too! Those evil 'pugs, they did
it again. You tell 'em about it, cur, because if you don't, it'll
never get out.

Then you tell 'em cur that not only did it not start with Wellstone,
and tell 'em it didn't even start with Carnahan. In fact, the evil
'pugs didn't even start two-fers with Carnahan. Tell 'em, cur, that
it really started on October 16, 1972, and that's when the evil 'pugs
*really* learned how to pull this one off. And, man o man, it was a
dooooozy too, that one. You tell 'em, cur, about how the airplane
carrying Democrat House Majority Leader Hale Boggs (who was up for the
Speaker of the House slot, third in line in succession to the
presidency) and Alaska Democrat Representative Nicholas Begich
mysteriously disappeared in Alaska. Tell 'em, cur, tell 'em about how
Boggs was part of the Warren Commission, and how he had stated his
doubts about the commission's findings, and tell 'em about how Boggs
was fully onto the evilness of the super-evil J Edgar Hoover, and that
Boggs had called for Hoover's resignation on the Senate floor, and
that Hoover *hated* Boggs, and therefore Boggs was squarely in the
FBI's crosshairs, and don't stop there cur, what ever you do, don't
stop there, because you absolutely gotta tell 'em about how not only
Nixon, not only Agnew, not only J Edgar Hoover, but also Cheney, the
Bushies, and their BIG OIL BUDDIES *all* have their fingerprints all
over this one. Tell 'em cur, about how the trans-Alaska pipeline was
still in the debate stages at that point and that Alaska Rep. Begich
was a vocal opponent of building the pipeline. Tell 'em about that
one cur. And tell 'em how neither the plane nor its passengers have
ever been found, and tell 'em how the FBI actually DOES KNOW where the
plane is, but they are keeping it secret. Tell 'em cur.

Ya gotta tell 'em the whole story, cur. Don't you be holding anything
back. Unless you're in on it too. Are you in on it too, cur? I
think you're in on it, or you wouldn't have held back the rest of the
story. Cur, a 'pug in disguise!

Spread Eagle
Post by cor
For my part, I'm not a big conspiracy nut who worries about this kind
of thing all the time - just an average one like Oliver Stone who
knows there's something sinister and weird going on in our world. I
have done extensive research into the JFK assassination in Dallas.
The right wing of the CIA was heavily involved in that, from Oswald's
CIA connections to the Dallas mayor at that time being the brother of
the former CIA deputy director who lost his job after the Bay of Pigs
fiasco and blamed that on JFK. The Dallas mayor may even have
approved the change in the parade route on that fateful day so it
would go right by the grassy knoll and building where Oswald and
probably other snipers were, where JFK met his death.
I have interviewed numerous people who reported weird things that
occurred during that time, such as key witnesses dying in strange
ways like mysterious plane crashes and being run over by trains in
the middle of the night. I have written numerous stories on this and
covered it in my book on Dallas history - and have received my share
of threatening phone calls, mail opened, and the like to know I was
stepping on some powerful toes.
There were also numerous JFK murder witnesses committing suicide in
the months after that tragedy. The CIA has done extensive mind
control work for decades - I know at least one psychic personally who
started working for the CIA in the 1980s - and could possibly
convince someone through such mind games to commit suicide. Could
they psychically work on making a plane crash? Who knows? Anything is
possible.
Similarities with Carnahan, Kennedy crashes
What about Democratic Missouri Gov. Mel Carnahan, who was killed
during a close Senate race when his small plane crashed right before
the 2000 election? What about John F. Kennedy Jr., who had
intelligence, political ambitions, charisma, and the name, dying in a
1999 plane crash?
In both of those cases, the planes were already descending towards
their landing and then suddenly wandered off their approach paths and
crashed, similar to Wellstone's craft. In all three cases, radio
contact appears to have been cut off while the planes were still in
the air, possibly indicating electrical failures on board.
In Kennedy's case, at least one witness saw a flash in the sky and
heard an explosion before the plane went down, as in Wellstone's
situation. Kennedy's plane was also left unguarded at Teeterborough
Airport in New Jersey, and almost anyone could have placed something
inside it.
The list of high-profile Democratic politicians killed in plane
crashes goes on - Commerce Secretary Ron Brown in 1996, Rep. Mickey
Leland of Texas in 1989, Rep. Jerry Litton of Missouri in 1976 [who
was also involved in a hard-fought election at the time], House
Majority Leader Hale Boggs of Louisiana and Rep. Nick Begich of
Alaska in 1972. High-profile Republicans have died in crashes,
including Sen. John Heinz of Pennsylvania and Sen. John Tower of
Texas in 1991, but not as many as Democrats.
In fact, of 22 air crashes involving state and federal officials,
including one ambassador and one cabinet official, From the
Wilderness found that 14 - 64 percent - were Democrats and eight - 36
percent - were Republicans.
Add to that Raytheon Co., one of the biggest U.S. military
contractors and manufacturer of the plane that crashed with Wellstone
in it, being a huge donor to Republicans, and the mind continues to
wonder. U.S. House Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey of Texas,
for instance, received $48,201 alone from Raytheon in 1997-98. The
Republican National Committee received at least $170,000 from
Raytheon since 1999. Raytheon donates to Democrats, too, but more
than twice as much money goes to Republicans.
Raytheon has all kinds of CIA connections, as does Bush, whose
father, remember, was once director of the CIA. One of the more
intriguing discoveries that emerged from the NTSB's own investigation
of this case was that Raytheon not only manufactured EM force and EM
pulse weapons, but also manufactured the King Air A100. No other
entity would have been better positioned to have taken it down. See
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2003/AAR0303.htm for more details.
Bush, for his part, issued some strange comments immediately after
Wellstone's crash, even for him. He called Wellstone - who was an
articulate, energetic, intelligent political science professor for 21
years before he was a senator - a"plain-spoken fellow." He said he
wanted to issue his "condolences for the loss of the Senate." Did he
mean the Democrats' sudden loss of the Senate, which occurred the day
Wellstone died? Did he know something more than he let on?
Bush once called Wellstone a 'chicken shit'
There was no love lost between the Bush clan and Wellstone. In 1990,
as Wellstone challenged the Persian Gulf War preparations, Bush Sr.
even referred to Wellstone as a "chicken shit." When Wellstone first
met Bush Jr. in 2001, the latter disrespectfully called him "Pablo."
As The Nation said in May 2002, getting rid of Wellstone was a
passion for Bush, Karl Rove, and Cheney. "There are people in the
White House who wake up in the morning thinking about how they will
defeat Paul Wellstone," a senior Republican aide told The Nation.
"This one is political and personal for them."
No senator had a more consistent record of voting against Bush
administration proposals in 2001. Wellstone voted against the
Homeland Security Act and many of Bush's judicial nominees. He pushed
for stronger environmental programs, for genuine measures to counter
corporate fraud, and for investigations into Sept. 11 and $350
million that was missing from the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
Freepers' comments I read about this tragedy were mostly tasteful -
on the surface - though some jokes and conspiratorial posts were
published on their right-wing site. Right after the news of the
crash, some posted comments like "prayers for control of the Senate."
Several comments were removed by the moderator. One that was not
said, "You do realize that as we sit here praying for one of our
biggest political enemies' safety, President Bush will be blamed by
the Democrats [including the rabid leftists at DU and other
brain-sucking sites] for the crash."
Another joked, "Maybe it was shot down by a right wing militia. We've
got to ban handguns." And another said, "Ted Kennedy may have been on
[the plane]." Then there was this ramble: "Politically speaking,
would this be good or bad news for the GOP if he's dead? I could see
him winning now like Carnahan in 2000 so that Gov. Jesse could
appoint his successor. I'm thinking this is probably not good news."
And this comment: "Any bets on how quickly the Democrats will have
his wife take his place on the ballot?" Hello? Sen. Wellstone's wife
died in the tragedy, remember? Another post predicted that
"[Republican Senate candidate in Minnesota] Coleman's campaign is
dead." And then there was this message: "I pray that Wellstone and
all of his aides survive, and live to see themselves defeated handily
on Nov 5th...unless this is yet another of Tom 'Caligula' Daschle's
election schemes." Someone else added, "Carnahan II? Ventura is the
governor, not a D...this time."
Such conservatives' glee at the demise of probably the most powerful
real progressive in the country was entirely evident in such
comments. Many contained themselves, but we know what they're really
thinking, don't we?
And a few days after Wellstone's death, right wingers were selling
and displaying on their vehicles insensitive bumper stickers with
messages like, "He's dead, get over it." How's that for
"compassionate conservatism?"
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